Message from @The Real Head Honcho

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2018-12-17 06:38:38 UTC  
2018-12-17 06:38:46 UTC  

@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist do you have any fucking idea how divided the whites were

2018-12-17 06:38:54 UTC  

Collapse of Tsardom was inevitable after 1861

2018-12-17 06:38:54 UTC  

The civil war would have lasted much longer

2018-12-17 06:39:03 UTC  

And not to mention the dozens of nationalist movements

2018-12-17 06:39:05 UTC  

Hell, 1855

2018-12-17 06:39:13 UTC  

There's a very good chance that there would be another civil war, they were a lot like the Republicans in Spain, heavily divided, but only united because of a common threat

2018-12-17 06:39:19 UTC  

I’d say 1881 with the death of Alexander II

2018-12-17 06:39:26 UTC  

If the commies lost the Ukrainians would've had full independence

2018-12-17 06:39:33 UTC  

@Honey Beanger Alexander II was the root of the problem

2018-12-17 06:39:40 UTC  

the strength of the USSR was precisely that it was

a) internationalist
b) class based

so it was able to not only beat back the whites using the unified lower classes, but also was able to expand beyond the Empire's then-borders *because* it could accommodate everyone

2018-12-17 06:39:41 UTC  

His early forms and Emancipation fucked the tsars

2018-12-17 06:40:00 UTC  

@The Real Head Honcho How liberation of slaves is bad?

2018-12-17 06:40:21 UTC  

Okay let me put it to you like this

2018-12-17 06:40:23 UTC  

If emancipation never happened the system would have collapsed into bloody revolt much earlier

2018-12-17 06:40:28 UTC  

oh yes

2018-12-17 06:40:34 UTC  

it would've fallen sooner

2018-12-17 06:40:39 UTC  

For hundreds of years your entire state and economy runs on a serf-based state

2018-12-17 06:40:45 UTC  

Its established and entirely dependent on that

2018-12-17 06:40:51 UTC  

the 1905 revolution would've come sooner and instead of being failure would've succeeded, bare minimum

2018-12-17 06:41:06 UTC  

All of a sudden, that is abolished with no clear alternative, and the nation plunges downwards economically and socially

2018-12-17 06:41:11 UTC  

Tell me that is a good choice

2018-12-17 06:41:14 UTC  

In any capacity

2018-12-17 06:41:24 UTC  

The nation really didn’t plunge downward economically

2018-12-17 06:41:38 UTC  

It opened the door for industrialization and allowed the peasants to migrate to centers of industry

2018-12-17 06:41:48 UTC  

@Honey Beanger export and foreign investment plummeted until the 1890s

2018-12-17 06:41:50 UTC  

you had the communists and Narodniks and a whole bunch of people spreading revolutionary ideologies of varying types among the Russian lower classes who were embittered and angry, it was always going to end up this way

2018-12-17 06:41:54 UTC  

For a good 20 years Russia was in free fall

2018-12-17 06:41:57 UTC  

the Empire was stagnant and was going nowhere

2018-12-17 06:42:15 UTC  

The empire was stable until the emancipation and liberalisation

2018-12-17 06:42:22 UTC  

Yeah the 1890’s boom wouldn’t have happened without emancipation

2018-12-17 06:42:34 UTC  

Yes, they were behind, but a gradual transition would have helped them catch up

2018-12-17 06:42:51 UTC  

The emancipation was the most ill-conceived, badly implemented solution to the problem possible

2018-12-17 06:42:54 UTC  

neo-White Movement is literally the greatest gay position ever, please abandon this immediately

2018-12-17 06:43:11 UTC  

You know what else is gsy

2018-12-17 06:43:13 UTC  

gay*

2018-12-17 06:43:13 UTC  

And emancipation has already taken place in certain parts of the empire, namely the Baltic provinces as well as the former peasants of church land

2018-12-17 06:43:19 UTC  

Not to mention the fact that the Nobles, who at the very least kept a lid on things, were now replaced by Kulaks

2018-12-17 06:43:30 UTC  

Who were literally just peasants that exploited the vacuum

2018-12-17 06:43:37 UTC  

"the Empire was stagnant and was going nowhere" That's bullshit. Also fun to hear that from a Soviet fan.

2018-12-17 06:43:48 UTC  

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