Message from @The Real Head Honcho

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2018-12-17 06:44:28 UTC  

Sure

2018-12-17 06:44:29 UTC  

> And emancipation has already taken place in certain parts of the empire, namely the Baltic provinces as well as the former peasants of church land

yes and also Grand Duchy of Finland had no slaves to speak of, at any point, as it operated on an entirely different, much more Western Enlightenment type system

2018-12-17 06:44:32 UTC  

Everyone thinks you're very smart

2018-12-17 06:44:45 UTC  

@εïз irma εïз im confused are we saying that russia was stagnant or that it wasnt

2018-12-17 06:44:46 UTC  

Yeah Finland under the empire was weird

2018-12-17 06:44:48 UTC  

Who are you agreeing with

2018-12-17 06:44:58 UTC  

I'm a fence sitter

2018-12-17 06:45:01 UTC  

Based

2018-12-17 06:45:10 UTC  

Finland had its own senate, army, laws, borders, taxes, currency 😄 it was fun times

2018-12-17 06:45:13 UTC  

I didn’t say Finland because it never had serfs to begin with so there was no emancipation

2018-12-17 06:45:18 UTC  

Nothing matters but spiritual purification through holy war

2018-12-17 06:45:22 UTC  

I wouldnt say it was crumbling by any means, but it was certainly lagging behind

2018-12-17 06:45:44 UTC  

There hadn't been an industrial revolution, the state was an agrarian one and infrastructure was weak or non-existent

2018-12-17 06:45:45 UTC  

HOWEVER

2018-12-17 06:45:51 UTC  

The state itself was very strong internally

2018-12-17 06:46:15 UTC  

And there was not even any kind of major brewing anti-tsarist movement until after the emancipation

2018-12-17 06:46:24 UTC  

Oh the Empire was strong with repression sure. No doubt about this - it was the originator of forerunners of both the gulag and the NKVD

2018-12-17 06:46:39 UTC  

You mean the Okhrana and the exile system?

2018-12-17 06:46:46 UTC  

Yeah it doesnt take a genius to see the links

2018-12-17 06:46:56 UTC  

yeah, the Soviet forms were intensifications of those, but they were the original forms

2018-12-17 06:46:59 UTC  

Only difference is the soviets had more guns

2018-12-17 06:47:05 UTC  

ye

2018-12-17 06:47:06 UTC  

And more fences

2018-12-17 06:47:15 UTC  

probably wasn't the best idea to sent Stalin to labour colonies

2018-12-17 06:47:24 UTC  

Plus, the gulag system was an actual labour system

2018-12-17 06:47:30 UTC  

Rather than just "okay you live here now lol"

2018-12-17 06:47:34 UTC  

Soviets didn't make situation any better. Most of what Soviets achieved was laid down by the Imperials and was carried out very badly. Soviets ruined and betrayed the country and caused most of Russia's modern problems.

2018-12-17 06:47:35 UTC  

yeah tbh

2018-12-17 06:47:43 UTC  

Lenin? Sure

2018-12-17 06:47:45 UTC  

Stalin? God no

2018-12-17 06:48:02 UTC  

Uh....the Soviets made Russia what it is today, in more ways than one can count

2018-12-17 06:48:07 UTC  

Stalin > Lenin I say this as a man who dislikes both.

2018-12-17 06:48:08 UTC  

Stalin literally rebuilt the system from the ground up and burned anything that wouldn't comply

2018-12-17 06:48:10 UTC  

like they literally made it into a great power

2018-12-17 06:48:18 UTC  

as opposed to a "great-ish power that loses to Japan"

2018-12-17 06:48:22 UTC  

Lenin was an incompetent economist and statesman

2018-12-17 06:48:32 UTC  

He was a man of ideology not a man of politics or economics

2018-12-17 06:48:36 UTC  

He showed that very clearly

2018-12-17 06:48:40 UTC  

@Xinyue It would be better if the Imperials continued what they're doing.

2018-12-17 06:48:52 UTC  

As for stuff being laid down by imperials