Message from @The Real Head Honcho
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> And emancipation has already taken place in certain parts of the empire, namely the Baltic provinces as well as the former peasants of church land
yes and also Grand Duchy of Finland had no slaves to speak of, at any point, as it operated on an entirely different, much more Western Enlightenment type system
Everyone thinks you're very smart
@εïз irma εïз im confused are we saying that russia was stagnant or that it wasnt
Yeah Finland under the empire was weird
Who are you agreeing with
I'm a fence sitter
Based
Finland had its own senate, army, laws, borders, taxes, currency 😄 it was fun times
I didn’t say Finland because it never had serfs to begin with so there was no emancipation
Nothing matters but spiritual purification through holy war
I wouldnt say it was crumbling by any means, but it was certainly lagging behind
There hadn't been an industrial revolution, the state was an agrarian one and infrastructure was weak or non-existent
HOWEVER
The state itself was very strong internally
And there was not even any kind of major brewing anti-tsarist movement until after the emancipation
Oh the Empire was strong with repression sure. No doubt about this - it was the originator of forerunners of both the gulag and the NKVD
You mean the Okhrana and the exile system?
Yeah it doesnt take a genius to see the links
yeah, the Soviet forms were intensifications of those, but they were the original forms
ye
And more fences
probably wasn't the best idea to sent Stalin to labour colonies
Plus, the gulag system was an actual labour system
Rather than just "okay you live here now lol"
Soviets didn't make situation any better. Most of what Soviets achieved was laid down by the Imperials and was carried out very badly. Soviets ruined and betrayed the country and caused most of Russia's modern problems.
yeah tbh
Lenin? Sure
Stalin? God no
Uh....the Soviets made Russia what it is today, in more ways than one can count
Stalin > Lenin I say this as a man who dislikes both.
Stalin literally rebuilt the system from the ground up and burned anything that wouldn't comply
like they literally made it into a great power
as opposed to a "great-ish power that loses to Japan"
Lenin was an incompetent economist and statesman
He was a man of ideology not a man of politics or economics
He showed that very clearly
@Xinyue It would be better if the Imperials continued what they're doing.
As for stuff being laid down by imperials