Message from @YUGE
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it was ultimately the culture, not the law, that fixed the issues that brought about the temperance movement
Yeah but it's hard to change the cultural norms regarding substance use. It takes many generations.
I don't know about many
but yes, it's not a fast change
Anyone surprised Buzzfeed did this?
but we've been fighting drugs with laws for 50 years and objectively it hasn't worked
which is why I said, like alcohol, the drug problem will ultimately need to be solved with culture
This video was in the suggestion side
Oh I agree. I thought you supported the temperance movement.
oh no, I'm just saying it existed for a reason
drinking at the turn of the 20th century was a very valid social concern
Gotcha
it was a problem
but it was ultimately the culture, not the law, that made it not a problem. we saw prohibition was a complete failure
objectively, drug prohibition has been a total failure too
I have to put on the bow tie for this one. It is all about supply and demand. If there's Heroin from Iran and Meth from Mexico then people are going to do it regardless of the law or culture. Weed is very tricky because it can't be shut out of borders.
meth can be made here and we have pharmacies distributing tablet heroin
I think the key is a healthy society and a strong economy, then people don't feel like they have nothing left to lose
I agree but I'm talking about street drugs. Of course that does include pharmaceuticals so wtf am I talking about.
Drug addicts get the rope.
yea, I mean I see your point but our current situation isn't that nicely divided
Opportunity cost is a powerful thing.
True
we have legal channels making addicts who then turn to the black market mainly out of price concerns
Maybe social ostracism could work in some way.
with opiates anyway
I think social ostracism is far more powerful with addicts than the threat of the rope
they clearly don't fear death, they're tangling with it every day
I think most humans do fear being completely shut out of any social group
In Singapore they used to whip people for drug abuse in public. But I don't know if they still do that.
that's much closer to social ostracism than anything we do
Yeah we just sort of turn our heads.
certainly a hell of a lot cheaper than our DEA budget
Trump specifically mentioned the weakened borders during the presser about drugs
that's good
I think he's using the drugs as further justification for the wall
And he asked the dea to confirm, which they did
it's part of the case he's building