So did Prohibition

right, that's my point

it was ultimately the culture, not the law, that fixed the issues that brought about the temperance movement

Yeah but it's hard to change the cultural norms regarding substance use. It takes many generations.

I don't know about many

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3TYsR3oDZU

but yes, it's not a fast change

Anyone surprised Buzzfeed did this?

but we've been fighting drugs with laws for 50 years and objectively it hasn't worked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv0i8Do4u48

which is why I said, like alcohol, the drug problem will ultimately need to be solved with culture

This video was in the suggestion side

Oh I agree. I thought you supported the temperance movement.

oh no, I'm just saying it existed for a reason

drinking at the turn of the 20th century was a very valid social concern

Gotcha

it was a problem

but it was ultimately the culture, not the law, that made it not a problem. we saw prohibition was a complete failure

objectively, drug prohibition has been a total failure too

I have to put on the bow tie for this one. It is all about supply and demand. If there's Heroin from Iran and Meth from Mexico then people are going to do it regardless of the law or culture. Weed is very tricky because it can't be shut out of borders.

meth can be made here and we have pharmacies distributing tablet heroin

I think the key is a healthy society and a strong economy, then people don't feel like they have nothing left to lose

if they have a bad injury and are on pain killers, they see a reason to get off

I agree but I'm talking about street drugs. Of course that does include pharmaceuticals so wtf am I talking about.

Drug addicts get the rope.

yea, I mean I see your point but our current situation isn't that nicely divided

Opportunity cost is a powerful thing.

True

we have legal channels making addicts who then turn to the black market mainly out of price concerns

Maybe social ostracism could work in some way.

with opiates anyway

I think social ostracism is far more powerful with addicts than the threat of the rope

they clearly don't fear death, they're tangling with it every day

I think most humans do fear being completely shut out of any social group

In Singapore they used to whip people for drug abuse in public. But I don't know if they still do that.

that's much closer to social ostracism than anything we do

Yeah we just sort of turn our heads.

certainly a hell of a lot cheaper than our DEA budget

Trump specifically mentioned the weakened borders during the presser about drugs

that's good

I think he's using the drugs as further justification for the wall