At the end they did have a Family none the less.

we have a family now

how wholesome

So, if you're concerned with that, just let faggots adopt.

which also has the benefit of taking some kids out of the carousel of foster care

@CronoSaturn today most fathers were divorced by their ex wives and are now paying alimony and child support for the rest of their lives, and no one cares.

I don't see this as a good outcome.

i dont either but i think its better than the alternative of keeping people together who actively hate eachother

baby steps

The steps that have been taken have destroyed the family, not improved it. These aren't steps of progress, they're mistakes.

I'm not saying EVERYTHING is getting worse. I'm saying the social structure of society is absolutely getting more dysfunctional

i dont think keeping a family together who actively hates and is destroying itself is a winning project. I agree that the way divorce is handled could be improved, i agree people could seek more meaningful relationships, im not saying our current position isnt without challenges, but i do believe its the best alternative currently available

Think about what kind of society we are building. We are training a new generation of men that if you get married you can at any time be divorced and will pay our ex wife for the rest of your life. She doesn't even need a reason to divorce you. You could be a good husband and it won't protect you in any way.

not entirely true and accept that its a mitigation, not a solution but prenup

Judges have the power to disregard prenups

They do frequently when they believe it is sexist, which means when the woman doesn't get a huge payout

@Krille P.#9570 how does that follow?

there has to be some pretty substantial argumentation

If the individuals agreed to a legally binding contract how could a judge simply throw it out? That's tyrannical

it has to be established why the assumed conditions of the prenup are invalid, a judge cant just say hocus pocus your prenup is gone

Yet they do all the time

Young men are being trained by the way society operates that they are better off never marrying

im not aware of the stats but lets remember that in america alone theres, what, 300million people? something doesnt need to be common to happen all the time

Getting married is a huge liability to them and could spell total financial ruin.

and while divorce rates in america last time i checked is edging 50% in australia its 30%

50% divorce rate is ABYSMAL.

```i dont think keeping a family together who actively hates and is destroying itself is a winning project. I agree that the way divorce is handled could be improved, i agree people could seek more meaningful relationships, im not saying our current position isnt without challenges, but i do believe its the best alternative currently available```

the assumption that all or even most divorces are born out of situation where husband and wife actively hate each other 24/7 in ways that are completely irreconcilable in the future is unproven.

Flip a coin, if tails you're a slave

It's not really a surprise that men have said fuck that

i agree snake but clearly its a tractable problem if analogous countries have a 20% difference

also americas marriage rates are very high actually

which might be a contributing factor

The problem is that anyone can defend this twisted system. Anyone of moral character ought to demand that reform occur

It is indefensible what is accepted as good

@Gerçek Well that was your concern with when asked to define decay.

and i think that process is in the works. remember though a policy doesnt need to be good for it to be good policy, just less bad then the alternatives

currently we are developing improvements, but i stress, developing

they dont exist as of yet

Think about the long term ramifications of this: each generation the most intelligent men will marry less and have less children to avoid financial ruin. Therefore, a greater percentage of children will be born to unintelligent fathers and single mothers

What we're effectively doing is removing fathers from the family