even if that were true all the other problems are still taking a huge tool

alcohol and drug abuse, depression, suicide and broken families are in many ways literally first world problems in that theyre only problems that present themselves where there arnt more pressing problems and other cultures seem to be coping with this shift much more poorly

exactly my point, money doesn't solve every problem.

in fact, sometimes it very much creates and exacerbates them

additionally in terms of drug and alcohol abuse the west has made ardent strides and negative birthrates arnt a problem in america

also gercek your being inconsistant

your criticism was low employment, now you accept that its high

Dostoevsky describes families torn appart by abuse in his novels though, so not true

either its a problem or its not

at what point did i mention employment at all?

correction, sd did

also krille raises the point that much of those numbers are increases in reporting and the availability of better management

The scales are different. This is usually a cop out.

today rather than having to sell you child into prostitution because your father is an alcoholic, as is shown as a case in crime and punishment, you can seek help and a divorce

I'm not saying you do this but people love to do this, there was Homosexuality mentioned in some literature from 14th century England, so it must've been common.

its not common now though

There are a lot of quantitative evidence that shows abuse isn't a 1-world problem

Too

Societal Decay has existed throughout time, you can never eliminate it just like you can never eliminate friction completely.. but never at any point in time has Sexual Degeneracy for example been normalized in Culture.

Define "degeneracy". The Greeks and Romans had morals regarding sexuality, sure, but they still buttfucked little boys ad infinitum

the carthaginians also had prositutes as holy women

At the end they did have a Family none the less.

we have a family now

how wholesome

So, if you're concerned with that, just let faggots adopt.

which also has the benefit of taking some kids out of the carousel of foster care

@CronoSaturn today most fathers were divorced by their ex wives and are now paying alimony and child support for the rest of their lives, and no one cares.

I don't see this as a good outcome.

i dont either but i think its better than the alternative of keeping people together who actively hate eachother

baby steps

The steps that have been taken have destroyed the family, not improved it. These aren't steps of progress, they're mistakes.

I'm not saying EVERYTHING is getting worse. I'm saying the social structure of society is absolutely getting more dysfunctional

i dont think keeping a family together who actively hates and is destroying itself is a winning project. I agree that the way divorce is handled could be improved, i agree people could seek more meaningful relationships, im not saying our current position isnt without challenges, but i do believe its the best alternative currently available

Think about what kind of society we are building. We are training a new generation of men that if you get married you can at any time be divorced and will pay our ex wife for the rest of your life. She doesn't even need a reason to divorce you. You could be a good husband and it won't protect you in any way.

not entirely true and accept that its a mitigation, not a solution but prenup

Judges have the power to disregard prenups

They do frequently when they believe it is sexist, which means when the woman doesn't get a huge payout

@Krille P.#9570 how does that follow?

there has to be some pretty substantial argumentation

If the individuals agreed to a legally binding contract how could a judge simply throw it out? That's tyrannical