especially as a higher female workforce is a thing

theres discussion from both the democrats and republicans thats addressed it, no big moves as of yet but baby steps

a big stumbling block is the public image of mras which, yknow, thats fair

Could you give me an example?

A link?

The people care so much that they put his dysfunctional system into place and cheered it as a big step of progress

We are talking about a culture that 1) Supplied the Christian philosophers/theologians with fundamental concepts. Call it heathen all you want but there is no denying that the Greeks helped form Christianity in its early days. 2) Viewed the love between two males as more pure than between man-woman. I'm just courious abot what is meant as "decay" since it is often used by would-be despots with nothing but pure hatred of man in their hearts

```a big stumbling block is the public image of mras which, yknow, thats fair```


you do realize divorced women, women who have been abused in the past or raised in a broken home are highly likely to be Feminists.. and Feminists say things that are many many times worse than any MRA I've ever seen, and they do it in College Classes and on the TV..
The image of MRA's who might have gone through abuses themselves is quite different from Feminists is it not?

@Deleted User https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers%27_rights_movement_in_the_United_States

wikipedia i know

I'm not sure what your point is

my point is that reform has been passed incrementally already, ive raised reasons to believe that the impetus towards this isnt going away which you dont seem to object to, theres no reason to expect that it would not continue

@Krille P. You say "Greeks" as though they were a hivemind who did and believed in all the same things, as if all Greek Men were doing little boys in spare time. That is just faulty thinking..

As for Societal Decay and Degeneracy, it means all behavior that leads to the Destruction of that Society and Peoples.

You claimed that theres discussion from both the democrats and republicans thats addressed it but this article doesn't really prove this

I fail to see any reason to expect that it will suddenly reverse

bills have been passed as the article shows

What bill

```n Illinois, the following laws co-authored by Jeffery M. Leving were signed into law in 2009:

SB 1628, sponsored by Senator Iris Martinez and in the House by Representative Deborah Mell, accomplished two things: It amended the Paternity Act and other Acts to insure that both parties be informed to their right to DNA testing before paternity can be adjudicated either through a voluntary acknowledgment, court proceedings or by an administrative law judge. It also amended the visitation interference section of the Criminal Code and made it a criminal offense to deny the other parent their right to parenting time or custody time. Previously, only visitation interference was a crime. (Signed into law: August 11, 2009)

SB 1590, sponsored by Sen. Pamela Althoff and in the House by Rep. Sandra Pihos, and which passed unanimously, allows children and non-custodial parents to use electronic visitation technologies such as email, telephone, internet and video conferencing. Illinois became the sixth state to pass Virtual Visitation Legislation which could enable virtual visitation for incarcerated fathers. (Signed into law: August 11, 2009)

HB 4008, sponsored by Senate by Senator Martinez and Rep. Jehan Gordon, included the paternity provisions of SB 1628. It amended the Paternity Act to ensure that both parties would be clearly informed to their right to DNA testing before a voluntary acknowledgment of paternity is signed or a paternity order is entered. (Signed into law: August 14, 2009)

HB 2266, sponsored by Martinez and Rep. Ken Dunkin, amended the visitation interference section of the Criminal Code with the use of terms used in family cases today (i.e. parenting time and custody time). (Signed into law: August 25, 2009)```

None of this prevents the problems we've been discussing

It seems like a non sequitur

visitation was one of the issues we were discussing

none of these bills even discusses those issues

When did I discuss that?

I said men have to pay their ex wives

I also said men will fear financial ruin, marry less, and more kids will not have fathers

you did address custody as an issue

Yes I did

so when i show that incremental change has been made in reforming custody / visitation...

Such a non-response (the first part), I'm not saying that ever Greek man fucked boys but there was a definite cultural tendency towards homophilia in accient Greek. Pointing this out is by no means saying that Greeks all thinked or acted alike and is just a poorly thought out way for you to disregard the facts that what you might call societal decay might not be that.

Ah, so we can only tell if something is part of the societal decay after the fall of our civilization. Useful fucking term you've got there

What so now fathers who are being forced to work for their ex wives by the state get to visit every month?

Is this a victory?

>if i dont get everything i want then i havnt achieved anything
thats not how progress is made politically, snake, political change is implemented through incremental, realistic change

There is no pressure financial or electoral on politicians to Reform Family Law whilst there is opposite pressure to keep it all the same from a massive Feminist Lobby.
Y'all haven't even talked about that, pretending as of Politicians will talk about issues just because..

Look: the status quo is indefensible. It should be an affront to the conscience any person of good character right now.

i disagree and the feminist lobby is pretty divided in whether to support equity in divorce or no

You disagree?

What in my statement do you disagree with?

ive said repeatedly snake that the status quo should be reformed

Oh you mean you disagree with the status quo

das rite

It is disturbing that it is just an accepted part of society