again, not sure about that, dysfunctional marriages and breakups have always been a problem and the state hasnt caused that.

If a married couple wants to split up they can, and they can come to some agreement about the kids. The one sided situation where the man's funds are seized is a result of the state using its power to force it

```again, not sure about that, dysfunctional marriages and breakups have always been a problem and the state hasnt caused that.```


The scales are different. That matters..

In fact, we've created a massive financial incentive for women to aggressively pursue divorce to get easy money

i agree and this is where feminists have actually come into bat because the laws governing this originally assumed that the man brought home the bacon and the woman enabled him and looked after the house and kids

Is it any wonder why divorce rates are so high? If you divorce you're guaranteed free money for life

Give me a break feminists created this hell

as that responsibility is being questioned many feminists are arguing for the assumptions carried in the way divorce is carried out

you cant seriously believe feminists are interested in improving things for fathers

and feminism isnt a monolith and i think their concerns in the regards of womens place being in the home as a neccessity was valid

that's a non sequitor

saying feminists did something "good" is just a diversion from the fact that they are responsible for this situation

Feminists might do it for egoistic ideological reasons, but to expect them to put any effort into this I think is misplaced hope..

hardly. there is no one "feminism" just as there isnt one "christianity" so pinning it all on "feminism" is too vague to be accurate.

I reject the notion that history is a path of constant progress in which people have more and more rights over time

fathers have less rights as do husbands than ever before

eh, the vikings had pretty shitty divorce standards for men

Not to mention children no longer enjoy the benefit of having a united father and mother

if there's nothing common between all Christians and Feminists, the terms become useless. Obviously that is not true.. so criticising feminism as a monolith is very much legitimate.

and single motherhood absolutely affects children you can see this statistically

this is a false dichotomy snake, happy families dont get divorced

so 50% of families aren't happy

and domestic violence also affects kids, more so than single parents

why is that a good thing?

it isnt, but it is a reality

Here's a thought: assault is a crime and if a man assaults a woman, he will be arrested

We are in this situation because women can divorce their husbands for any reason. They don't have to show that the husband assaulted them

right but if you are in an unhappy relationship and you are forced to stay there often the result is assault

@Gerçek That is a connection made purely made in your own head and is the product of some kind of wishful thinking. Denonucing an entire culture because they are "heathens" when your whole world-view is based on concepts tought out by individuals in this culture is just plain stupid. All the other shit you say about me claiming the homo side of Greek culture and concepst in Christianity is pure fabrication and a product of your imagination.

Foresight isn't something that is always right, nor does norms, laws and morality needs this. You'll have to produce some sort of proof for this. Also your analogy is so off, you can' compare something as complex as human society with that example (which also can be attributet to induction. A high fall = high movment speed = harder impact)

Often? Do you have statistics to back up that claim?

So what? Because marriage is hard and couples aren't always happy I guess kids don't get to have fathers anymore?

i dont on hand but i should think thats intuitive. if your stuck living with a person you hate there will likely be a punch on

this thinking that 100% of Divorces that ever happen are for legitimate reasons since the couple weren't *happy* at any given time assumes that things got better for them after they got Better.
Thats not even thinking of the children yet for whom divorce is almost never better... must divorces don't end up in Domestic Violence convictions even though the standards of evidence for these is below criminal threshold. @CronoSaturn

and kids get to have fathers who dont hit them

You make it sound like we have 2 options: either women are assaulted or kids don't have fathers

Exactly, the mother's sexual partners after a divorce are more likely to assault her and or her kids

Again, this isn't solved by no fault divorce, it's solved by making assault illegal...which it already is

@Gerçek im not predicating that assault precipitates all divorces but i dont think its unreasonable to think that if either party is forced to stay in a steadily deteriorating relationship, which you are clearly in if you are seeking a divorce, *someone* is very likely to become abusive

although i should clarify that girls are equally capable of filling that role

no they aren't. Theyre WAY more likely to

It's not even close