@CronoSaturn deadbeat?

the state should not be able to seize someone's money and transfer it to someone else in the name of equity

I respect property rights

its not an equity thing

Just because a man was wealthy upon having children shouldn't give his wife any right to rob him if she divorces him later on

you know that alot of the child support stuff had support from your tradcon types so that if theyre daughter gets knocked up by jack down the road he has to either marry or help pay for it yeah?

If she wants to enjoy his wealth, perhaps she shouldn't divorce him

right but child support is not tied to marriage

alimony is a seperate thing

Well, it depends on the sort of society we're setting up here. I assume you'd prefer a more liberal or libertarian society, yes?

absolutely but liberalism is a broad church and im not a libertarian

We could always ban sex outside of marriage, and punish law breakers, but I think you'd be offended

i would be, plus its ineffective

people have sex outside of marriage whether you like it or not

So alternatively, we could say if a woman becomes pregnant the child is hers. She is not entitled to any money from her boyfriend.

If she wants his financial assistance, she should marry him

the problem is she might want to marry him and he does not

After all, if we are to act like women are adults with the same agency as men then they can refrain from sleeping around and getting pregnant before marriage.

Then she should have the agency to not fuck him without a condom

this is the original problem child support sought to solve

right but he also can *say* baby ill take care of you

Yes, people lie

Lying is not a crime

If you want financial support you ought to enter into a contract with the other person, that's what marriage used to be

Only now the contract offers the man no protection

right but the law sees that as a reasonable expectation that if they then knock the girl up then there was an offer and acceptance

thats a voluntary contract

That's unreasonable. If you want the man to provide you must give him something in return

also men can and do get alimony payments and child support

its more rare, but it occurs

Just like black women getting raped

By white men

Has it ever happened? Probably a few times, but it's extremely rare. It's usually black men raping white women

also the providing something to the man in return would presumably be the relationship / sex

its not extremely rare

In past societies the contract was that the man was the head of the household, he gained custody of their children, the wife and kids took his last name and so on

Who is y’all

For his financial service to provide for his wife and their kids, he was given authority

thats not strictly true snake and @Deleted User a bunch of autists

Now women demand free money and men get nothing

typically the wife was seen to have custody of the kids traditionally