In fact they are doing that right now via financial incentives

People are divorcing more and marrying less.

i dont think its cost effective to try and pay people out to love their children and their are already significant financial incentives for marriage and kids

There's this thing called normative culture whereby people are able to remain within certain boundaries that ensure the survival of their Society and such that individuals live generally meaningful lives.
Now with his *you* don't have to *force* anybody.. a govt doesn't even come into the picture.
One important element of that is Family Building, and the societal shunning and shame associated with failure to do this, being Promiscuous or Unfaithful. We have slowly lost that in many important ways.. @CronoSaturn

I don't think it's cost effective for 50% of men who marry to pay alimony for life

which we agree on

and certainly people should be less slutty gercek

Here's a thought: punish people for bad behavior, and they will be less likely to do it. This is the basis of the justice system.

Punishment can actually include social shunning and shaming.

Psychological Punishment can be far more effective on several levels than Fines or some Jail time

Trying to fix marriage through material benefits in terms of more money to large extent I think are misguided.

Well, we used to use the law to support the traditional family, then we delegated most of the job to social pressure trusting that was sufficient to keep families intact, but now they've fucked the culture so bad that this broke down

Now both the state and the culture are untied against the family

I will agree with you on removal of the welfare state, child support benefits, community property laws, alimony etc

but to provide positive material benefits to families to stay together or have more kids is to misunderstand the problem to begin with

@Gerçek it doesn't have to be some draconian situation like if you are a bad wife we shoot you

The point is people respond to incentives be they financial or otherwise

We should set up society to promote and facilitate men and women forming long term partnerships and producing/raising children as a unit

i think by reforming divorce to be more equitable and a bit of a cultural swing as things normalise thats 90% of the way there

"reforming divorce to be more equitable" you see there's your first problem.

Divorce shouldn't be equitable. They should grant custody to the parent who's better capable to raise the children, and the other party shouldn't have to pay. Easy.

Land of the free https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAj9W0ntUMI

@Deleted User so you'd be ok with deadbeats going around knocking people up and scampering off?

i think regardless of gender whoever takes care of the kid should receive money in line with what the other parents contribution costs them, adjusted for what role they had in the seperation

@CronoSaturn deadbeat?

the state should not be able to seize someone's money and transfer it to someone else in the name of equity

I respect property rights

its not an equity thing

Just because a man was wealthy upon having children shouldn't give his wife any right to rob him if she divorces him later on

you know that alot of the child support stuff had support from your tradcon types so that if theyre daughter gets knocked up by jack down the road he has to either marry or help pay for it yeah?

If she wants to enjoy his wealth, perhaps she shouldn't divorce him

right but child support is not tied to marriage

alimony is a seperate thing

Well, it depends on the sort of society we're setting up here. I assume you'd prefer a more liberal or libertarian society, yes?

absolutely but liberalism is a broad church and im not a libertarian

We could always ban sex outside of marriage, and punish law breakers, but I think you'd be offended

i would be, plus its ineffective

people have sex outside of marriage whether you like it or not