Message from @Wojak

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2019-03-02 14:12:09 UTC  

HELL no. I saw the product, I talked to them, I _listened_ and investigated.

2019-03-02 14:12:14 UTC  

And NOPED right the fuck off that idea.

2019-03-02 14:12:24 UTC  

I do not think, one instant, that any fucker who works in those facilities is a good person.

2019-03-02 14:12:38 UTC  

They're all power craving lunatics who want easy ways to abuse power and justify their superiority.

2019-03-02 14:12:45 UTC  

It _attracts_ narcissists.

2019-03-02 14:12:56 UTC  

It _attracts_ people who abuse authority.

2019-03-02 14:13:05 UTC  

Because teenagers are the single most vulnerable population - and they know it.

2019-03-02 14:13:17 UTC  

Jesus, was about to say. I was fool enough to think that one degree of separation into 'private sector' clinics would help, but yeah; same folk, different clothing.

2019-03-02 14:13:25 UTC  

Hooooly shit no.

2019-03-02 14:13:29 UTC  

It's no better.

2019-03-02 14:13:36 UTC  

Oh, I know that now.

2019-03-02 14:14:33 UTC  

Once upon a time I almost did university with the intent of working to help people like that. Good for me I was smart enough to do investigating first. A lot of it.

2019-03-02 14:14:42 UTC  

Chose to major in mathematics instead.

2019-03-02 14:14:50 UTC  

But spent all my time doing psychology anyway.

2019-03-02 14:15:04 UTC  

Psychology has sort of rotted to the core. Lack of control and filtering.

2019-03-02 14:15:21 UTC  

There's no checks and balances against abuses of power and authority.

2019-03-02 14:15:30 UTC  

I have experienced that even a good psychiatrist is still not helpful.
They at best can offer general advice you can get in a 5 minute google search. (IE Fight depression with exercise and forcing social interaction.)
Or poor advice. (IE You should forgive and continue to interact with your abusers because they are related to you and you will regret not doing so.)

2019-03-02 14:15:32 UTC  

It's hideous how that occurs in a field where it should be MOST prevalent. MOST cautious.

2019-03-02 14:16:09 UTC  

I was in seminary for 2 years, straight out of high school. Psych and Divinity and they set me up in a government joint over the summers for the former. Two organizations I washed out of, though the church was a... much more explosive one.

2019-03-02 14:16:24 UTC  

To be fair, Kragt, you often do have to exercise and force social interaction. inasmuch as you can stand it.

2019-03-02 14:16:33 UTC  

A good psychologist would help you figure out how.

2019-03-02 14:16:39 UTC  

Just being told "do this" doesn't help.

2019-03-02 14:16:55 UTC  

>Seminary

2019-03-02 14:16:58 UTC  

oooooh

2019-03-02 14:17:13 UTC  

@Kragt They're also not being taught to help you, only what they need to manage your symptoms.

2019-03-02 14:17:14 UTC  

I was a jehovah's witness until I turned 14. Got out of that one in a hurry.

2019-03-02 14:17:24 UTC  

Read Jordan Peterson

2019-03-02 14:17:42 UTC  

and go squat

2019-03-02 14:18:08 UTC  

@Wojak Nondenominational for me.

2019-03-02 14:18:10 UTC  

@Five, Seven, and Two Exactly.
I fixed my depression issues a few years ago by learning more about where it came from. 2 years of the best shrink I ever had did nothing by comparison.

2019-03-02 14:18:12 UTC  

Well, yes and no. Researchers absolutely are trying to figure out how to help people. But there's a sort of detachment between academia and the session-culture with the research and intent of the science.

2019-03-02 14:18:27 UTC  

^

2019-03-02 14:18:41 UTC  

Often the best way to help is introspection. Which, yes Kragt, often means researching it yourself.

2019-03-02 14:18:48 UTC  

To help introspective people that's what you should foster.

2019-03-02 14:19:01 UTC  

That gives you a sense of self efficacy - agency.

2019-03-02 14:19:10 UTC  

Power and control and ability to make your life better.

2019-03-02 14:19:26 UTC  

It's helping people with BAD introspection that you need to really direct thoroughly and carefully.

2019-03-02 14:19:50 UTC  

Tons of clinical tools given to people, like mood charts, are exactly for people with bad introspection.

2019-03-02 14:20:00 UTC  

People who cannot really think about their mental states or remember them reliably.

2019-03-02 14:20:08 UTC  

ohhh the personality chart

2019-03-02 14:20:17 UTC  

16 of them, yea?