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@Kragt They're also not being taught to help you, only what they need to manage your symptoms.

I was a jehovah's witness until I turned 14. Got out of that one in a hurry.

Read Jordan Peterson

and go squat

@Wojak Nondenominational for me.

@Five, Seven, and Two Exactly.
I fixed my depression issues a few years ago by learning more about where it came from. 2 years of the best shrink I ever had did nothing by comparison.

Well, yes and no. Researchers absolutely are trying to figure out how to help people. But there's a sort of detachment between academia and the session-culture with the research and intent of the science.

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Often the best way to help is introspection. Which, yes Kragt, often means researching it yourself.

To help introspective people that's what you should foster.

That gives you a sense of self efficacy - agency.

Power and control and ability to make your life better.

It's helping people with BAD introspection that you need to really direct thoroughly and carefully.

Tons of clinical tools given to people, like mood charts, are exactly for people with bad introspection.

People who cannot really think about their mental states or remember them reliably.

ohhh the personality chart

16 of them, yea?

Huh?

No. 5. And that's personality assessment. I'm talking about mood.

"16" is the sort of myers-briggs pseudoscience astrology.

teach

There are a lot of useful tools in psychology but also a lot of bad psychologists who don't know how to use them.

word

once I read JP my life changed

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Jordan Peterson

572, can I steb?

Have at.

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Hmm... That is probably true.
I honestly can't concieve of what a life would be like for a person bad at introspection. I practiced a lot of meditation some 10 years ago in my continual quest to stop the pain of depression and I forgot what life was like before then.
This is a thing Stardusk and... even JP has mentioned... that once you end up away from an area of a bell curve it can be hard to understand how a person on the other end experiences things. (In this case they were talking about IQ)

Meditation helped me considerably.

More than anything else before or since.

I went to China for 6 months

martial arts training, it completley changed me

meditation was part of the exp;erience

I can say, from experience, that breathing is fogotten skil

you learn to breath properly when you exert the body

squatting, is a great way, striking works too

It helped but didn't fix it.
I still had terrible episodes for years afterwards.
It wasnt till about a year or two ago that I finally solved it, mostly by researching and realizing that my goals in life (>_> Blue pill dreams of a happy family life) were impossible and were keeping my set up for continual failure.
After that I realized I didn't need external validation and then poof. A month later I stopped crying in a corner and ripping my hair out while debating if I should hang myself in my closet.

Well, meditation and buddhism helped. Learn to let go.