@Xychotic I wouldn't really call a barn cat or a hunting dog livestock

Would you call a plow horse livestock?

idk I've never dealt with horses. I just don't see how geographical location turns them into commodities and not pets

That's a lot of typing for a yes or no question.

I didn't say commodity. I said livestock.

That's because, in a rural setting, a "pet" is a value add to your homestead.

I am from a rural area and I agree with @Xychotic

In an urban/suburban setting, a pet is a luxury.

I grew up on a farm and always considered the dog/cat/goats pets

The cows and horses livestock

yeah that's what I was thinking

Dogs didn't heard or anything

@Whats gay anymore We used to treat cows as pets too when I was a kid, but they gave of some milk

@Whats gay anymore how was that?, one of my goals is to move to a semi-rural area and have a small family farm

Still livestock

Loved it

is livestock and pet mutually exclusive?

Well our dogs gave us company and that was it 🤷 I'll call them pets

Yes.

A hunting dog though, I wouldn't call a pet

livestock has real utility; pets are a luxury

@DankChum No, lambs where treated like pets too, still ate them though

Granted, you would probably love the shit out of your hunting dog.

No one I know with a hunting dog loves it

Really?

They go down to boars all the time

They're tossed away

It's sad

like I'd love a friend but that doesn't mean I wouldn't run his pockets when he dies

Oh, boars are fuckin' nuts, though.

same goes for pigs

Well boar hunting is the only reason to have them where I grew up

At least pigs don't come equipped with those damn tusks.

Probably different for other hunting dogs

@Xychotic You pull the tusks out when the pigs are young

You'd be lucky to get more then a year out of them

No more than a year out of a hunting dog?

Yeah in my experience

Wow. This is news to me.

Some last awhile but my school friends who hunted would always talk about new dead dogs they had

Aww.