Message from @Constantine
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Well, definitely Osama
So are you saying we should've taken out Saddam earlier?
Im saying we never should have installed him in power
that one is mostly our fault
But before him, it was the Saudis
You just can't win
this is true
thats why I want trumps travel ban, and extend it to most of these shit holes
I think we should reinstate the Immigration Act of 1790
Saddam came to power during the pan-Arab movement, so that wasn't just the US per se. Are you talking about the arms sales during the Iran-Iraq war?
Probably
I mean we've had the most opportunities to step in and curb his power and we instead sold him more weapons
I agree we shouldn't have done that. At the end of the day I think Saddam was just kind of your basic bitch strongman. I don't think he had an ideological beef with the US like Osama did.
thats true
he used us as a scapegoat though
Yeah, the cold war realpolitik came back to bite us in the butt in a lot of situations (esp. with the Taliban)
Nobody else was capable or wanted to step up to the plate against the USSR, though
true
USSR is to blame for a lot of the initial causes
Yeah, cold war we did what we had to do, but then the neolibs became the new communists, so to speak
^
Eisenhower was a great president
But Eisenhower helped get us into Vietnam
Right war, wrong reasons
Granted Kennedy and LBJ pulled the trigger
He tried to keep us out, but CIA fucked everything up
I for one, am glad for Vietnam
really? why Vietnam
We should've stood by the Republic of Vietnam. Full scale involvement was a mistake.
but it was a fucking awful war
my family came to the states because of vietnam
We should've let the French lose it
oh wow, are you from South Vietnam?
my mom is from Laos
It's mainly LBJs failure. Gulf of Tonkin was under him.
and the only reason she got out is because she helped the Americans during the war
not a free pass because of the war, but because th country owed her a debt
And then we didn't bomb the dikes in the north, which would've ended the war pretty quick
Yeah, there's a lot of Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotians that came over from the war. Don't get me wrong I still hate commies, but I'm still fairly anti-war.