They did stuff for the civ market, but c-130 engine orders was that company's bread and butter

we are all good here

I dont know, I think either way Osama had to go down

wish we treated Saddam like Osama

Well, definitely Osama

So are you saying we should've taken out Saddam earlier?

Im saying we never should have installed him in power

that one is mostly our fault

But before him, it was the Saudis

You just can't win

this is true

thats why I want trumps travel ban, and extend it to most of these shit holes

I think we should reinstate the Immigration Act of 1790

Saddam came to power during the pan-Arab movement, so that wasn't just the US per se. Are you talking about the arms sales during the Iran-Iraq war?

Probably

I mean we've had the most opportunities to step in and curb his power and we instead sold him more weapons

I agree we shouldn't have done that. At the end of the day I think Saddam was just kind of your basic bitch strongman. I don't think he had an ideological beef with the US like Osama did.

thats true

he used us as a scapegoat though

Yeah, the cold war realpolitik came back to bite us in the butt in a lot of situations (esp. with the Taliban)

Nobody else was capable or wanted to step up to the plate against the USSR, though

true

USSR is to blame for a lot of the initial causes

Yeah, cold war we did what we had to do, but then the neolibs became the new communists, so to speak

We didn't have to fight a million and half proxy wars. We just had to follow what Eisenhower did

^

Eisenhower was a great president

But Eisenhower helped get us into Vietnam

Right war, wrong reasons

Granted Kennedy and LBJ pulled the trigger

He tried to keep us out, but CIA fucked everything up

I for one, am glad for Vietnam

really? why Vietnam

We should've stood by the Republic of Vietnam. Full scale involvement was a mistake.

but it was a fucking awful war

my family came to the states because of vietnam

We should've let the French lose it

oh wow, are you from South Vietnam?

my mom is from Laos

It's mainly LBJs failure. Gulf of Tonkin was under him.

and the only reason she got out is because she helped the Americans during the war