I am not a superfan of Iran, I just don't think they're as great a threat as neocons and the media make them out to be

Fuck what neocons and the media think

Yeah, exactly

if you are unable to recognize your own bias and use it to shut down others, you are a cuckhead

They start wars a lot of times because of the defense lobby. No joke it's a very big business

i mean

If we didnt go to war after 9/11 GW would have been the worst liked president ever

My parents used to wprk for Allison engines. It's a big deal

I was in the military, it's real

same fam

We should've gone after Saudi Arabia. Osama was an asshole, but he wasn't behind 9/11

Wait who is shutting anyone down?

im saying in general

They did stuff for the civ market, but c-130 engine orders was that company's bread and butter

we are all good here

I dont know, I think either way Osama had to go down

wish we treated Saddam like Osama

Well, definitely Osama

So are you saying we should've taken out Saddam earlier?

Im saying we never should have installed him in power

that one is mostly our fault

But before him, it was the Saudis

You just can't win

this is true

thats why I want trumps travel ban, and extend it to most of these shit holes

I think we should reinstate the Immigration Act of 1790

Saddam came to power during the pan-Arab movement, so that wasn't just the US per se. Are you talking about the arms sales during the Iran-Iraq war?

Probably

I mean we've had the most opportunities to step in and curb his power and we instead sold him more weapons

I agree we shouldn't have done that. At the end of the day I think Saddam was just kind of your basic bitch strongman. I don't think he had an ideological beef with the US like Osama did.

thats true

he used us as a scapegoat though

Yeah, the cold war realpolitik came back to bite us in the butt in a lot of situations (esp. with the Taliban)

Nobody else was capable or wanted to step up to the plate against the USSR, though

true

USSR is to blame for a lot of the initial causes

Yeah, cold war we did what we had to do, but then the neolibs became the new communists, so to speak

We didn't have to fight a million and half proxy wars. We just had to follow what Eisenhower did

^

Eisenhower was a great president

But Eisenhower helped get us into Vietnam