Message from @meijinsan

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2017-12-21 23:25:49 UTC  

he used us as a scapegoat though

2017-12-21 23:26:02 UTC  

Yeah, the cold war realpolitik came back to bite us in the butt in a lot of situations (esp. with the Taliban)

2017-12-21 23:26:48 UTC  

Nobody else was capable or wanted to step up to the plate against the USSR, though

2017-12-21 23:27:01 UTC  

true

2017-12-21 23:27:12 UTC  

USSR is to blame for a lot of the initial causes

2017-12-21 23:27:33 UTC  

Yeah, cold war we did what we had to do, but then the neolibs became the new communists, so to speak

2017-12-21 23:27:44 UTC  

We didn't have to fight a million and half proxy wars. We just had to follow what Eisenhower did

2017-12-21 23:27:54 UTC  

^

2017-12-21 23:28:00 UTC  

Eisenhower was a great president

2017-12-21 23:28:16 UTC  

But Eisenhower helped get us into Vietnam

2017-12-21 23:28:28 UTC  

Right war, wrong reasons

2017-12-21 23:28:38 UTC  

Granted Kennedy and LBJ pulled the trigger

2017-12-21 23:28:41 UTC  

He tried to keep us out, but CIA fucked everything up

2017-12-21 23:28:52 UTC  

I for one, am glad for Vietnam

2017-12-21 23:29:00 UTC  

really? why Vietnam

2017-12-21 23:29:01 UTC  

We should've stood by the Republic of Vietnam. Full scale involvement was a mistake.

2017-12-21 23:29:01 UTC  

but it was a fucking awful war

2017-12-21 23:29:10 UTC  

my family came to the states because of vietnam

2017-12-21 23:29:13 UTC  

We should've let the French lose it

2017-12-21 23:29:45 UTC  

oh wow, are you from South Vietnam?

2017-12-21 23:29:51 UTC  

my mom is from Laos

2017-12-21 23:29:53 UTC  

It's mainly LBJs failure. Gulf of Tonkin was under him.

2017-12-21 23:30:02 UTC  

and the only reason she got out is because she helped the Americans during the war

2017-12-21 23:30:20 UTC  

not a free pass because of the war, but because th country owed her a debt

2017-12-21 23:31:08 UTC  

And then we didn't bomb the dikes in the north, which would've ended the war pretty quick

2017-12-21 23:31:17 UTC  

Yeah, there's a lot of Vietnamese, Cambodians, and Laotians that came over from the war. Don't get me wrong I still hate commies, but I'm still fairly anti-war.

2017-12-21 23:31:30 UTC  

Thank god, finally.

2017-12-21 23:31:36 UTC  

im pro war for the right reasons

2017-12-21 23:31:47 UTC  

and if we would have waged war fairly in Vietnam, we would have won

2017-12-21 23:32:10 UTC  

Vietnam was a tough one, the Southern Vietnamese government was pretty corrupt and did not have much popular support

2017-12-21 23:32:23 UTC  

its also horrible how we treated the military and vets when they came back

2017-12-21 23:33:04 UTC  

And we fought a war with conscription. Big mistake.

2017-12-21 23:33:09 UTC  

Plus the Vietnamese have a pretty good track record in defending their homeland. I wouldn't have wanted to be in that war.

2017-12-21 23:33:36 UTC  

Did you watch the PBS documentary on the Vietnam War?

2017-12-21 23:33:41 UTC  

not yet

2017-12-21 23:33:43 UTC  

It's pretty good except for the hippie bullshit

2017-12-21 23:33:51 UTC  

ive heard enough family stories though

2017-12-21 23:33:57 UTC  

Talks with Vietnamese vets from both sides. Very interesting.

2017-12-21 23:34:28 UTC  

Yeah, I imagine. Dark times for SE Asia. That was when the Khmer Rouge shit was too. Very awful stuff