Message from @meijinsan

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2017-12-19 05:25:00 UTC  

Honestly I had no position on abortion until I saw some of the insane statistics

2017-12-19 05:25:20 UTC  

No, most people do not have regular abortions because they want sex but think "chemiculs in muh body" is bad, but abortions are just fine.

2017-12-19 05:25:33 UTC  

Pretty much

2017-12-19 05:25:44 UTC  

That is not at all most people.

2017-12-19 05:25:47 UTC  

Culturally in America we are not taught that the fetus is a life

2017-12-19 05:27:18 UTC  

This said, bad reasons do not erase your rights.

2017-12-19 05:28:20 UTC  

This is the inevitable problem with giving people rights.

2017-12-19 05:28:27 UTC  

Correct, but we must also recognize where our rights come from

2017-12-19 05:28:37 UTC  

People are not given rights

2017-12-19 05:29:11 UTC  

Rights given are easily taken away. You must be willing to defend your rights by pen or by sword.

2017-12-19 05:29:55 UTC  

(Figure of speech. You should use rifles.)

2017-12-19 05:29:57 UTC  

No, everyone has rights granted to them solely by existing. The purpose of government is to take away rights that infringe on others

2017-12-19 05:31:12 UTC  

The constitution sees the rights as codiefied in it, not granted by it.

2017-12-19 05:31:23 UTC  

Exactly

2017-12-19 05:31:30 UTC  

That’s why the second amendment is there

2017-12-19 05:31:47 UTC  

You have the right to protect your own rights, and not rely on the government

2017-12-19 05:32:07 UTC  

But the constitution is a piece of paper. The paper needs some steel, propellant and plastic to back it up.

2017-12-19 05:32:13 UTC  

Yes.

2017-12-19 05:32:28 UTC  

The constitution is a set of beliefs and ideas

2017-12-19 05:32:30 UTC  

Well, aluminium too I suppose.

2017-12-19 05:32:34 UTC  

And those are impossible to kill

2017-12-19 05:32:44 UTC  

Anyways back to my original point

2017-12-19 05:32:53 UTC  

The constitution is the foundation of law and order

2017-12-19 05:33:20 UTC  

You acknowledge that the government is in place to protect the rights of the innocent, correct?

2017-12-19 05:33:59 UTC  

The government is in place to enforce laws, and defend the country from invasion.

2017-12-19 05:34:17 UTC  

Should the government protect those who cannot protect themselves?

2017-12-19 05:34:38 UTC  

We acknowledge that abortion is killing, after all

2017-12-19 05:34:44 UTC  

I don't know. Who are they protecting? What are they protecting them from?

2017-12-19 05:35:17 UTC  

The fetus from early termination, without being threatening to the mothers life

2017-12-19 05:35:29 UTC  

If it's protecting it from the right to control your own body, sorry.

2017-12-19 05:35:55 UTC  

So the rights of property supercedes the rights to life?

2017-12-19 05:36:32 UTC  

It's the right to control your body, who uses your organs.

2017-12-19 05:36:42 UTC  

tfw it's not just ones own body anymore

2017-12-19 05:36:49 UTC  

I don't believe that people's organs should be used against their will.

2017-12-19 05:37:11 UTC  

Yes it is, it is separated by a placenta.

2017-12-19 05:37:26 UTC  

It is a body supporting another, growing body.

2017-12-19 05:37:30 UTC  

So you think it’s fine if a woman knowingly gets pregnant and plans an abortion from day 1?

2017-12-19 05:37:42 UTC  

I don't think that people should have unprotected sex if they aren't willing to bear the responsibility to have the child

2017-12-19 05:37:48 UTC  

^

2017-12-19 05:38:13 UTC  

And I don't believe the government should be in our bedrooms or inside people.

2017-12-19 05:38:23 UTC  

I would agree