Message from @Grumplebee

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2017-12-19 20:41:27 UTC  

Also because of the progressive stack the collective cares more about small victories for a few of the group members (say, transgender bathrooms) than big wins for big groups (say large wage and benefit increases for a large unionized workplace).

2017-12-19 20:41:59 UTC  

This sounds like a full time thing. How are you going to motivate people to do this?

2017-12-19 20:42:12 UTC  

I'm not.

2017-12-19 20:42:48 UTC  

I'm just talking about a funcional leftist organizational model and it's flaws. Also the reasons why a more right leaning group can't use it.

2017-12-19 20:43:28 UTC  

This is something we shouldn't/can't do on the path to greater organization. but there may be some tidbits worth cribbing here and there.

2017-12-19 20:43:55 UTC  

I'm old enough to understand that I am no leader and that people don't generally listen to me.

2017-12-19 20:44:44 UTC  

You could hypothetically support in other ways if you're not leadership inclined, don't you think? (money, technical assistance, etc.)

2017-12-19 20:45:04 UTC  

Perhaps.

2017-12-19 20:45:38 UTC  

Well, Grumplebee sure understands what's needed though.

2017-12-19 20:46:17 UTC  

I think if there is one thing we need above all else it is ego checking.

2017-12-19 20:46:49 UTC  

None of this would have happened if someone wasn't needless paranoid about NDAs and non compete clauses.

2017-12-19 20:47:02 UTC  

People are just waiting for an event to go to without willing to help out in the organization. Like you said, ego checking.

2017-12-19 20:48:14 UTC  

One of the first obstacles to pass for this kind of thing is not having someone nominally on your side decide they can get a few credibility points by kicking your legs out from under you.

2017-12-19 20:50:09 UTC  

That's the problem with the more Randian side of the right. They expect all of us to be Howard Roark at the same time. So they think it's always justified to tear someone down if they aren't being "real" rnough.

2017-12-19 20:50:56 UTC  

But you're always going to need people to scrub the toilet. Metaphorically speaking.

2017-12-19 20:51:17 UTC  

Yes, definitely some big egos in the movement, but I think a lot of people are realizing that something is really f*cked up what's going on in the world, and they need a sort of lighthouse. I feel this way.

2017-12-19 20:51:38 UTC  

I feel that way as well.

2017-12-19 20:56:30 UTC  

Can't fight a culture war without events. Charlottesville got a lot of attention from normies but not ideal at all.

2017-12-19 20:57:47 UTC  

Yeah, Charlottesville and what the media did to the Tea Party are good things to look at in terms of what not to do and how to anticipate you will be depicted. They'll even go as far as to plant people to make you look bad. An activity we should focus heavily on.

2017-12-19 20:58:06 UTC  

As in we should be doing it to them. All the time.

2017-12-19 20:58:43 UTC  

Heck, considering the proclivities of people on our side it will probably be easier to get them to do stuff like that than real organization.

2017-12-19 20:59:23 UTC  

Like that guy in the last election who claimed to be in the KKK and that they had donated $10,000 anonymously to Hillary. We need a lot more of that going on.

2017-12-19 21:00:05 UTC  

Just like how we need to emphasize that you can't be a national socialist with SOCIALIST.

2017-12-19 21:00:39 UTC  

And that's how we should always present it because it is something the left proudly owns.

2017-12-19 21:01:10 UTC  

I think the Battles of Berkeley were good optics for us.

2017-12-19 21:01:34 UTC  

I'm talking I want that (((SOCIALIST))) so yuge you can't even hear that national part anymore.

2017-12-19 21:02:06 UTC  

Nazis? Fascists? What are you talking about? I don't see any (((SOCIALISTS))) here.

2017-12-19 21:02:33 UTC  

Lol genius.

2017-12-19 21:02:46 UTC  

Oh yeah much better optics.

2017-12-19 23:13:28 UTC  

The organizers of UTR really messed up with optics having the NSM show up in my opinion.

2017-12-20 01:07:59 UTC  

Also at this years npi Eli, Enoch, and spencer agreed the alt right needs to start pushing a anti capitalist message. Watch the footage from the the build Kate's wall heimbach is the most cringeworthy

2017-12-20 01:08:15 UTC  

They think it will bring in leftist

2017-12-20 03:27:27 UTC  

We need to be anti corporatist

2017-12-20 03:28:23 UTC  

It's not hard. The corporatists are in one of the most degenerate of relationships.

2017-12-20 03:30:40 UTC  

The Republican party are assfucking us that it's easy for the democrats to pick up a win

2017-12-20 03:31:57 UTC  

Pretty much everyone is a fucking idiot

2017-12-20 03:32:11 UTC  

They're going through a transformation.

2017-12-20 03:32:11 UTC  

But trump is doing some interesting maneuvering that have the dems in a hard spot

2017-12-20 03:32:41 UTC  

Chill Trump has 35 percent approval rating

2017-12-20 03:32:56 UTC  

Which means?

2017-12-20 03:34:43 UTC  

Which means that dems take Congress and we get no immigration bill that we want