Right. People say crazy stuff when it's off the cuff.

It sounded like she was thinking about it for a while, and Ape was agreeing with her

Weird.

I think she genuinely believes it could somehow work

Well if she's got an idea I'd like to hear it because I don't see a way that could end in anything but something worse than North Korea.

Like, you would need intentional class based restriction of technological access to even begin to make that work.

Like a caste system where only members of certian castes were allowed to access to the internet, cars, etc.

She didn't go into specifics, but I think she's got this ideal in her head that she hasn't carefully thought out.

And they say it's "fair"b by pointing out that the peasent farmer caste gets exclusive access to modern farming equipment.

Like, I'm glad their doing Western Front again, but man, that shit was laughable.

"Well, you'll get more Marcus Aureliuses than Neros" first off, Nero's bad reputation is greatly exaggerated. Second, how do you fucking know that? Certainly Rome's history didn't give you that impression, did it?

Many a skeptic has latched on to the idea that Nero's reputation was rectonned onto him as a form of Christian propaganda.

So of course, that makes it good info.

I don't know about all that. I mean it's possible, but unlikely. We know the dude was a nutter, but he wasn't for example, playing the fiddle as Rome burned.

But that's the thing, you don't even need particularly bad rulers to fuck things up in that kind of system

And if you're doing it by heredity, then it's a roll of the dice

Yeah you can get completely blasted out by a "good" ruler. Because the system, working as intended, means the average person's life must be nasty, brutish, and short.

Looks like someone found out that you can't call people Nazis on a whim.

I actually like Monarchy, as King Philip IV of France showed there was not much need for the title serf.

And @@AydinPaladin has said that she has read Democracy the god that failed so...

And tbf I haven't finished that one yet.

if Democracy is the god that failed, what does that make feudalism?

A greek style god that is brutal, uncaring, willing to harm others for it's own pleasure. But it didn't promise anything else. "I'm a god. I'm in charge. Don't question me. Now bend over and take it."

@Valet the Clown it is important to note, however that Phillip relied more on his civil servants than nobles or orders of knights. he even went so far as to disband the Knights Templar. in many ways he eschewed the feudal system.

That was my first point my dude @Dinosorcerer

There were no serfs but it certainly was still a Monarchy.

but that's not necessarily feudalism then

It is a Monarchy.

you can't have feudalism without the system of feifdoms

they were advocating for feudalism not just monarchy

or at least they said feudalism

whether they actually know what that entails or they were just using it as synonymous with monarchy I can't say

I'll have to watch it.

I view Monarchy and Democracy as private property vs public property.

Aydin brings up a central monarch, but I don't think she talked about barons or other lords

so it could very well be that she's talking about just Monarchy. but even then that doesn't gel with the part in her vision where people exist in small communities of free people.

that's not how that works

There will ceartainly be people who'll be granted titles, but those can be taken away. And frankly the only thing in feudalism I don't like is the freedom of movement.

and with the way the US economy works, primarily with an abnormally mobile workforce, you just couldn't get that sort of system to work without collapsing our whole economic system and starting over from a primarily agriculture-based economy

>Implying if there were to be a new system the old one would stay as it is.

well I don't think they consciously realize the radical change that would have to happen by the way they were talking about it.