Message from @Valet the Clown

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2018-01-27 04:13:05 UTC  

Mate there is your answer.

2018-01-27 04:13:48 UTC  

and he had no interest in occupying the British Isles as far as I know. if he had the ability to crush them and remove them from the war, I do not believe he would have hesitated

2018-01-27 04:13:59 UTC  

When the US got in WWI it became a war of ideology Republic vs Monarchy, when it started as a territorial war.

2018-01-27 04:14:37 UTC  

of course the French and British were quick to reframe the public image along similar lines

2018-01-27 04:15:48 UTC  

I will not say there have never been bad kings such as King Louis X but they are far better than Wodrow Wilson for example.

2018-01-27 04:18:01 UTC  

we can trade good examples and bad as much as we want. one of the problems with American politics is that we've given the chief executive to much power. We've made his office more like that of a king's as time has gone on. the difference between a bad president and a bad king is that there are more people to get in the way of a bad president's decision.

2018-01-27 04:23:30 UTC  

I disagree, given than a King had to beg money for his wars while a president doesn't; a King can be controlled if they are unruly, mad, or bloodthirsty more often than a president than names his delusions as "The will of the people"; Kings are able too do much more good given that it is in his benefit to increase the current wealth and future wealth of his state; A president only thinks of the now.

2018-01-27 04:25:30 UTC  

keep in mind that it was not the republics that declared war first in WWI

2018-01-27 04:25:38 UTC  

Of course

2018-01-27 04:25:44 UTC  

it took the US until 1917 to join

2018-01-27 04:26:32 UTC  

But it ceartainly took a bitter turn when it got in, especially when it came to Germany.

2018-01-27 04:34:18 UTC  

of course it did. all that fresh material bolstering Germany's enemies. some 2 million fresh troops sent to the Western front. it's no wonder the civilian government and the military (the Kaiser himself having fled to neutral Holland) agreed to the armistice.

2018-01-27 04:36:28 UTC  

I was talking about the treaty of versailles.

2018-01-27 04:38:38 UTC  

oh, you mean WIlson's 14 points that the French pissed on?

2018-01-27 04:40:51 UTC  

You know what I'm trying to get, don't be coy.

2018-01-27 04:41:39 UTC  

what are you getting at?

2018-01-27 04:42:57 UTC  

What happened after WWI

2018-01-27 04:44:58 UTC  

Germany's economic collapse caused in large part by the reparations, a brief revolutionary period (not in that order), the dissarmament of germany, the eventual rise of the Nazis, what is your point?

2018-01-27 04:45:53 UTC  

Had Germany stayed as it was before WWI had that happened?

2018-01-27 04:46:30 UTC  

are you trying to suggest that they wouldn't be disarmed under the Kaiserreich?

2018-01-27 04:46:37 UTC  

Had Monarchy stayed in power had that happend?

2018-01-27 04:47:07 UTC  

yes. why wouldn't it have? at any rate, the Monarch himself decided to abdicate.

2018-01-27 04:47:38 UTC  

U sure?

2018-01-27 04:50:00 UTC  

they didn't have much choice in the matter. sure, they could have told the allied powers to fuck themselves and continue prosecuting the war, but with the introduction of America and the revolts they were already dealing with, they would have risked going down the same path as Russia.

2018-01-27 04:51:31 UTC  

And then they became degenerates and then natsocs.

2018-01-27 04:53:18 UTC  

well we really have to ask ourselves which is worse, a united German-Russian Communist bloc or what we ended up getting instead.

2018-01-27 04:53:51 UTC  

Neither really are good.

2018-01-27 04:55:50 UTC  

but at least the Soviets and the Nazis expended a ton of their energy kicking the shit out of each other instead of focusing their attention elsewhere.

2018-01-27 04:58:16 UTC  

and let's not forget who funded Lenin's return to Russia from exile.

2018-01-27 04:58:36 UTC  

Who?

2018-01-27 04:59:00 UTC  

Germany

2018-01-27 05:00:13 UTC  

A country is not a person my dude

2018-01-27 05:00:50 UTC  

what good is a king if he does not take responsibility for his country's actions?

2018-01-27 05:01:35 UTC  

No, I'm saying name the person.

2018-01-27 05:05:56 UTC  

I just want to make sure you know.

2018-01-27 05:12:35 UTC  

I can't seem to find a specific person in the history book I have to hand. the most I get is a vague referrence to "German authorities"

2018-01-27 05:13:28 UTC  

Oh well.

2018-01-27 06:45:36 UTC  

Apparently according to historian Richard Pipes, who sources official documentation, the German foreign secretary, Richard von Kühlmann was either the man who came up with the idea or at the very least signed off on it. Additionally, the Germans, according to Eduard Bernstein, continued to send gold to the Bolsheviks between 1917 and 1918. As much as 50million deutsche marks.

2018-01-27 08:02:47 UTC  

I can't seem to find the number, but I'll take your word for it.

2018-01-28 20:29:43 UTC  

meanwhile Turkey is still extorting money from the EU in return for not releasing some 3.5 million refugees into Europe