Message from @Burnside

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2017-02-18 06:45:08 UTC  

socialism and communism are barely different

2017-02-18 06:45:18 UTC  

Straight up white right should hide their power level if they expect solidarity with any if us.

2017-02-18 06:46:22 UTC  

Socialism is fuzzy idealistic communism without the hard authoritarian controls up top, it's plug-n-play communism modules

2017-02-18 06:46:56 UTC  

Some of it is tolerable but later stages of installation have unacceptable features and glitches

2017-02-18 06:47:14 UTC  

none of it is tolerable

2017-02-18 06:47:27 UTC  

you amuse me, child

2017-02-18 06:47:45 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276935978369810432/282402765026885632/38.png

2017-02-18 06:48:22 UTC  

socialists should get the chopping block right along with the commies

2017-02-18 06:48:54 UTC  

socialism is too fuzzy, where do you draw the line?

2017-02-18 06:49:18 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276935978369810432/282403151783657472/17.gif

2017-02-18 06:49:36 UTC  

as to what we should be fighting against, socialism is the line, communism is just even worse socialism

2017-02-18 06:50:01 UTC  

Define the lower bound of is/isnot socialism please

2017-02-18 06:50:24 UTC  

the state ownership of the means of production

2017-02-18 06:50:35 UTC  

i guess lower being Sanders

2017-02-18 06:51:03 UTC  

That's classical marxism and a core feature of straight communism, try again

2017-02-18 06:52:13 UTC  

that's your definition. i've asked many socialists what socialism is and they all give me different answers because muh "it wasn't real socialism"

2017-02-18 06:52:23 UTC  

I think your idea of socialists is actually commies and your idea of commies is stalinism

2017-02-18 06:53:00 UTC  

there is massive overlap between socialism and communism

2017-02-18 06:53:03 UTC  

I run on textbook definitions and more tranditional academic delineations

2017-02-18 06:53:26 UTC  

>Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' control of the means of production;[10] as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim to establish them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective, or cooperative ownership; to citizen ownership of equity; or to any combination of these.[12] Although there are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]

2017-02-18 06:53:36 UTC  

What you're saying is "communism and stalinism" which do heavily overlap

2017-02-18 06:53:48 UTC  

that text book definition is still agreeing with what i said

2017-02-18 06:53:53 UTC  

Unions are socialist

2017-02-18 06:54:01 UTC  

Medicare is socialist

2017-02-18 06:54:05 UTC  

yeah

2017-02-18 06:54:18 UTC  

State planning is communist

2017-02-18 06:54:20 UTC  

Are we to kill an unionists?

2017-02-18 06:55:19 UTC  

Kill modern unions and let the traditional shop by shop unions return, I would say, these corporate amalgamated unions are trash

2017-02-18 06:56:07 UTC  

I'd rather avoid killing altogether honestly.

2017-02-18 06:56:10 UTC  

you think communist is strictly state planned, yet anarcho communists would disagree

2017-02-18 06:56:35 UTC  

Anarcho-Communism is a pipe dream.

2017-02-18 06:56:51 UTC  

Benz, social ownership does not necessarily include the state unless you ascribe to the ConAnaCom interpretation of the American Republic

2017-02-18 06:56:52 UTC  

i didn't say there was anything sane about anarcho-communism

2017-02-18 06:57:29 UTC  

i know that, families are socialistic by nature

2017-02-18 06:57:58 UTC  

i guess i could clear it up by specifically being against political socialists in this case

2017-02-18 06:58:35 UTC  

So you clearly disagree with your own method of interp- ah, but i still think you're mistakenly shuffling terms

2017-02-18 06:58:36 UTC  

socialists can go be voluntarily socialists for all i care, it'll just crumble anyway, but when they try to take my money into it is when they need to fuck off

2017-02-18 06:58:48 UTC  

Agreed

2017-02-18 06:59:09 UTC  

i meant political socialists from the beginning but i didn't communicate that well

2017-02-18 06:59:16 UTC  

because i was talking about nazism

2017-02-18 06:59:32 UTC  

Representation has become too dilute not to reconsider voluntary line item taxation