It's alwlmost like we shortcutted to allowing men to have their own sons.

@Tommy WizOh There is something to be said for genetic legacy, whatever that's worth.

Without women participating.

So that way women can do nothing aboit this...

As. Mgtows we maintain generations of strong independent self. Reliant and strong non pussified men.

The courts can do something about it.

Who only get stronger with each generation... Women are furious but can do nothjng.

@Terminarch do what?

It's your legal sole guardian.

Memetics make mgtow not genetics. I get most care about that... but I don't.

Please guys challenge the idea.

And I'm with Frodo on the not wanting to make more suffering.

I want ur challenge why it wing work and help mgtow.

@Tommy WizOh more suffering.... But like. I said u can have ur cake and eat. It too.

It can work for some men that want that. Sure. Like 0.000001% of all mgtow.

@Tommy WizOh why only small?

How much does this cost?

How many mgtow want children and don't already have them?

U think $20k for surrogacy is not way way cheaper than giving away half ur shit and spending $50k in a 3yr divorce?

The kid costs more than $20k in time.

Bro... It's many Times. Cheaper than agony of life wrecking divorce, losing ur kids anyways, and losing half ur net worth.

Yeah but it's ur kids.

That is true.

U can have. Just 1 son.

And women won't have any claim

If you want a kid, that is probably the best way to go.

No child. Support.. It'd. Ur child.

No alimony, u never married her.

Fair enough. But not many want this.

She will always be on her best behavior. Because otherawise she knows she's exkensdabem.

@Tommy WizOh why not?

I want. To make this more affordable for men who want a family, but don't like the direction feminist is going to wreck their lives.

I'm all for you having this option and maybe it'd even work. But most MGTOW wouldn't take the risk.

I don't want to have a kid, if I were to raise a boy to be a good man going his own way, I would just find one that has already been discarded and make him whole.

Sort of like a viable alternative. To family engineering in the age of mgtow.

@Tommy WizOh but u can haeb truly your son.

It's really continuation of you. 100% natural.

Ur heritage and legacy.

I don't see it that way. The young man is his own person. I'm only there to guide him.

@Tommy WizOh but it's good. To have your son... I thiught mgtow we opt out because women are cheaters...

We lose child custody 99% of. Divorce.