My wife passed way blah blah blah...

Then u can date whatever.

Who am I telling this story to and why?

She never legally marries u.

@Tommy WizOh huh?

Do. U see what I mean now. Bro?

This let's. U raise your son.... She never gets any alimony...

There's never any divorce...

And u can never have ur child taken away. Parent rights maintained.

@Happy Humble Hermit bro can u please weigh in on this dynamic?

When you say surrogacy here... it's a business contract. She doesn't think you like her, you aren't sticking your dick in her. They take a sperm and egg and then mix and put it in her. There is no sex. That is surrogacy. Maybe that is where we are getting confused here.

Okay, I'm following you. You have your kid, you're the only legal parent, etc. But if you want to live in a western country you'd better not bring another woman into the picture.

That kid are you money is gone.

@Tommy WizOh no its done through the surrogacy provider all that's handled bro.

So MGTOW is sole parent, in twenty years or so you might have a MGTOW generation. Only a small percentage can afford to do this. Meanwhile population doubles to 18 billlion through regular channels. Is this a win?

@Flushtater wait.

@Terminarch wait why not?

I'm with Bob. Why not just adopt 12 kids than?

U just never marry.... U can date.

Way faster.

U never marry... But u have a child.

It's alwlmost like we shortcutted to allowing men to have their own sons.

@Tommy WizOh There is something to be said for genetic legacy, whatever that's worth.

Without women participating.

So that way women can do nothing aboit this...

As. Mgtows we maintain generations of strong independent self. Reliant and strong non pussified men.

The courts can do something about it.

Who only get stronger with each generation... Women are furious but can do nothjng.

@Terminarch do what?

It's your legal sole guardian.

Memetics make mgtow not genetics. I get most care about that... but I don't.

Please guys challenge the idea.

And I'm with Frodo on the not wanting to make more suffering.

I want ur challenge why it wing work and help mgtow.

@Tommy WizOh more suffering.... But like. I said u can have ur cake and eat. It too.

It can work for some men that want that. Sure. Like 0.000001% of all mgtow.

@Tommy WizOh why only small?

How much does this cost?

How many mgtow want children and don't already have them?

U think $20k for surrogacy is not way way cheaper than giving away half ur shit and spending $50k in a 3yr divorce?

The kid costs more than $20k in time.