Listen bros..
. Do we want more stronger, self reliant, men in our society?

It's better than marriage but not better than celibacy.

Do we want to. Be free of divorce matters, alimony, and keep. Custody of. Our children?

Bob... yes of course. But how do you change a thirsty simp? Wasn't it you that said you needed a woman to red pill you or you didn't believe it?

@Terminarch how is. It not. Better than celibacy?

Look... if the government paid for men to do it like they pay for women to do it now.... yes. It would be great.

U wouldn't have any joy in raising ur own genetic son?

If it was free.... I would have 3 kids tomorrow.

In general/ I think we encourage you to pursue this and whatever means are available @metan

Oh u can't afford to raise a child ur saying.

No... what I am saying is that men on mass will not pay that price.

In all honesty I refuse to bring a child into this world in the current conditions.

@Flushtater ok. But can someone offer a better engineered alternative?

It's a big cost. If it was a money maker... it would work.

@Tommy WizOh men pay avg $25k for rediculous wedding... Easily 2-3x that.

It's cheaper than a wedding... And u get your own family, ur son nobody can take away from u.

Having kids makes women money. If having kids made men money than we wouldn't need women. If we used their tactics than it would work because it's working for them.

Think about this.... what if every woman that had to deliver a baby had to pay 20k CASH? You think they would be having kids?

@Tommy wait, having a son that u teach to be self reliant makes. Women money? How?

@Tommy WizOh woman based redpill wasn't me that was YT chat. Frodo maybe?

Oops, I meant for. Tommy

I get that... but simps are not buying a child. They are buying a fairy tale fantasyt bullshit lie and pussy, and validation.

Ah... maybe it was Frodo yeah.

@Tommy WizOh do simps ever get married?

metan women get paid to have kids.

@metan Yep.

They do not pay to do it... they literally get a cheque in the mail for each kid. If they had to pay 20k to give birth they would not have any kids.

@Tommy WizOh sure... Why pay for dates and all that crap when u can directly pay for ur own son.

As far as I know, only simps get married.

And. I said...they just in futuree will sell their eggs...

And will have baby bag labs to make ur son much cheaper.

Women sell their eggs now.

@metan I'm guessing some of the resitance is, MGTOW withdraws its participation because once collapse ensues, feminism goes on the bonfire. It's not the natural order of nature.

Not commonly, sure. But it's a thing.

@Flushtater listen.... Do u know. How many billions of funding support feminist propaganda... It will take ages to let. It burn overt unless men have a viable alternative as I'm proposing

Single mothers only exist because the State PAYS THEM to have kids. No state payments no single mothers having kids.

Guys what's your alternative please

I'm happy if u have a better solution.

Alternative is restoring the bond between responsiblity and authority.

Real actionable solution.

@Terminarch what do. U mean?