@Lilu Agree!

You can work for cash. Travel to a different country do maritime work, start a business etc....

Yes, you can live off the grid as much as possible or leave or both.

Or, lobby for change.

What you pay to Cesar, you pay to Cesar, what you pay to God, you pay to God

@machtyn So are you in favor of the system that will hunt you down if you do not give them arbitrary paper strips when they arbitrarily decide that they want it?

or you can just pay the taxes and save up and get out of the system as quickly as possible.

Sounds like robbery...

@Seven Of Swords You're personally MGTOW but you're politically trying to affect change. I just want you to see that irony 😄 I agree with you that it's a fucked system.

I'm not MGTOW...

@Seven Of Swords Oh no... don't get me wrong. I am a libertarian/minarchist.

@Seven Of Swords Oh, apologies.

ya it's robbery. you can fight the " good fight " or you can focus on living a life that you enjoy.

I want small government and markets to do the rest.

full MGTOW is different than an apprentice to MGTOW. Or a bit of MGTOW embedded

@IceRGodZ Like it 😄

@Lilu But what happens when you cannot live the life that you want to enjoy because of the very institutions that demands that you can only enjoy your life within the boundaries that itself has created?

MGTOW and black pill seem to be closely tied together.

@Seven Of Swords Taxes/Inflation (a form of tax due to fiat currency) have always been robbery.

@machtyn Are you ok with being robbed?

you can always live a life that you enjoy.

Especially when you consider 75%-80% of spending is on welfare... it's charity in my eyes.

You can have tax reductions

@Lilu What if I wanted to live a life without the government stepping in all of the time? What if I want a life without wage labor?

shit happens in life. I'm not saying that I agree with it. I'm just saying that you have to pick your fights and focus on what you can change

@Seven Of Swords I make 65-70k. I pay 10-15k in taxes because I max out my tax advantaged accounts to lower tax bills. I spend 10-15k per year. I invest the rest. You can easily save 1-2 million within 10-15 years and live off it.

You invest to help the society, you aren't being a slave to the government or conpany

@Seven Of Swords No, but unless I want to be imprisoned I cannot fight back. There is no "protesting" taxation.

still taxes, but it's lowered hence beneficial

@Seven Of Swords Sadly, you have to provide value in some manner to earn money.

@machtyn Why?

Why are you entitled to anything if you don't create value?

Why are you trying to defend the very system that you just said has plenty of problems that you wouldn't like int he first place?

If someone walks up to you and puts a gun to your face and asks for your wallet and you have $100 in it... you can decide that it's not right what that guy is doing and fight him to keep your wallet or you can say " it's just $100 I can make that again pretty easily "

@IceRGodZ Yes, lower taxes as much as possible but at the end of the day... think about it as charity to make it less painful lol.

@machtyn What do you mean by "create value"?

@Seven Of Swords I'm not defending it. It's the system we're in. I don't defend female nature. I explain and understand it.

Because the current system doesn't create value, it only creates a values within a market of exchanges...

If you want value you need to provide value. The most common way to provide value is a just over broke (job) or selling services, information, products, etc.

Government rewards you for not relying on them lol

So corporation are created by the government and they have every right to tax them. However corporations pay very little tax. You an start a corp and have it pay for your car, your phone, internet insurance, etc... and deduct all of it from taxes