@machtyn What do you mean by "create value"?

@Seven Of Swords I'm not defending it. It's the system we're in. I don't defend female nature. I explain and understand it.

Because the current system doesn't create value, it only creates a values within a market of exchanges...

If you want value you need to provide value. The most common way to provide value is a just over broke (job) or selling services, information, products, etc.

Government rewards you for not relying on them lol

So corporation are created by the government and they have every right to tax them. However corporations pay very little tax. You an start a corp and have it pay for your car, your phone, internet insurance, etc... and deduct all of it from taxes

Yes, these markets of exchange will demand certain value it wants

they wont reward people on welfare TECHNICALLY

@Lilu Oh... tell me more.

@Lilu I currently max out 401k, Traditional/Roth IRA and HSA. Everything goes into my brokerage account. I treat my savings account as my brokerage account.

@machtyn Then by definition, people are not creating value, only the market of exchanges displays what the value of a commodity is only in relation to other commodities.... The individual plays no role in determining what have value and what does not...

You can get your taxes very low if you want. Or you can bitch about how unfair that they are. I'm just saying the main viewpoint should be " what can I do " not " what can't I do ".

@Seven Of Swords The market is composed of individuals so yes and no.

@Lilu Why not 0 taxes?

401K LOL

what a joke.

I'm not an investment guru. I just know people that own their own business and get a lot of their expenses written off as business expenses.

@machtyn Then why can't individuals simply decide next Tuesday that the exchange market is dogshit and stop having faith in it?

@Seven Of Swords All governments are socialized to a specific degree. Small governments provide base necessities of a nation (military, police, courts). Less services = less taxes.

Penalties when you lay your hands on your money? Bank stealing since they are babysitting it?

so you get the company to pay for things like your car and then that becomes tax deductible.

Fees?

@machtyn Why don't people just stop believing in government?

Fuck that steaming bullshit

@Lilu I will look into that. LLC/Sole Proprietor?

@Seven Of Swords Because people are fucking weak.

Hmmm...

We killed religion so government has become it. Women don't need fathers anymore because of government.

@Seven Of Swords Tell that to the people in Venezuela LOL

again I'm not the guy to ask. I'm just saying if you want to pay less in taxes then you need to work for yourself

A lot of reasons my dude.

JUNYOR AFK,,, Will be thinking of you all.

Not really work for yourself. Own a business or start investing smart

maritime work for example is free from income tax since the labor is done on the open seas.

Ya there are a million ways

@IceRGodZ How do you own a business?

Employment, self-employment, business man, investor

@IceRGodZ I disagree. I don't need to ever touch my 401k and I contribute tax-free and it grows tax-free. When I retire my income will be small so taxes will be small. I invest in low-fee (0.04%) etfs that return 12% (past 20 years).

the point is that the blue pilled sheeple path is slavery

ESBI

@IceRGodZ Explicitly explain every step of the process in order to achieve that end, in significant detail please.