you can always live a life that you enjoy.

Especially when you consider 75%-80% of spending is on welfare... it's charity in my eyes.

You can have tax reductions

@Lilu What if I wanted to live a life without the government stepping in all of the time? What if I want a life without wage labor?

shit happens in life. I'm not saying that I agree with it. I'm just saying that you have to pick your fights and focus on what you can change

@Seven Of Swords I make 65-70k. I pay 10-15k in taxes because I max out my tax advantaged accounts to lower tax bills. I spend 10-15k per year. I invest the rest. You can easily save 1-2 million within 10-15 years and live off it.

You invest to help the society, you aren't being a slave to the government or conpany

@Seven Of Swords No, but unless I want to be imprisoned I cannot fight back. There is no "protesting" taxation.

still taxes, but it's lowered hence beneficial

@Seven Of Swords Sadly, you have to provide value in some manner to earn money.

@machtyn Why?

Why are you entitled to anything if you don't create value?

Why are you trying to defend the very system that you just said has plenty of problems that you wouldn't like int he first place?

If someone walks up to you and puts a gun to your face and asks for your wallet and you have $100 in it... you can decide that it's not right what that guy is doing and fight him to keep your wallet or you can say " it's just $100 I can make that again pretty easily "

@IceRGodZ Yes, lower taxes as much as possible but at the end of the day... think about it as charity to make it less painful lol.

@machtyn What do you mean by "create value"?

@Seven Of Swords I'm not defending it. It's the system we're in. I don't defend female nature. I explain and understand it.

Because the current system doesn't create value, it only creates a values within a market of exchanges...

If you want value you need to provide value. The most common way to provide value is a just over broke (job) or selling services, information, products, etc.

Government rewards you for not relying on them lol

So corporation are created by the government and they have every right to tax them. However corporations pay very little tax. You an start a corp and have it pay for your car, your phone, internet insurance, etc... and deduct all of it from taxes

Yes, these markets of exchange will demand certain value it wants

they wont reward people on welfare TECHNICALLY

@Lilu Oh... tell me more.

@Lilu I currently max out 401k, Traditional/Roth IRA and HSA. Everything goes into my brokerage account. I treat my savings account as my brokerage account.

@machtyn Then by definition, people are not creating value, only the market of exchanges displays what the value of a commodity is only in relation to other commodities.... The individual plays no role in determining what have value and what does not...

You can get your taxes very low if you want. Or you can bitch about how unfair that they are. I'm just saying the main viewpoint should be " what can I do " not " what can't I do ".

@Seven Of Swords The market is composed of individuals so yes and no.

@Lilu Why not 0 taxes?

401K LOL

what a joke.

I'm not an investment guru. I just know people that own their own business and get a lot of their expenses written off as business expenses.

@machtyn Then why can't individuals simply decide next Tuesday that the exchange market is dogshit and stop having faith in it?

@Seven Of Swords All governments are socialized to a specific degree. Small governments provide base necessities of a nation (military, police, courts). Less services = less taxes.

Penalties when you lay your hands on your money? Bank stealing since they are babysitting it?

so you get the company to pay for things like your car and then that becomes tax deductible.

Fees?

@machtyn Why don't people just stop believing in government?

Fuck that steaming bullshit

@Lilu I will look into that. LLC/Sole Proprietor?

@Seven Of Swords Because people are fucking weak.