A man without a wife and kids, or even worse a man without a need to possess a woman is a man with nothing to hold over his head

@Lilu It's insanely powerful but now the issue is finding my TRUE passion and tapping into that potential.

I know it's just me stuck in some loop but now that I know I don't want a family... I can't figure out what I truly want to do in my life.

There are plenty of men out there, the thing about my country is marriage rates aren't shit, so yeah society or women here aren't affected because of the actions of a single man.

@machtyn That's very common. As a matter of fact I would say that is what the MGTOW community is all about.

Maybe when it becomes obvious to most guys that marriage is a shit deal, maybe but it's not here yet.

Men trying to figure out how to live their lives once they realize that everything that they were told about how they should live their life previously was a lie or told just to control them.

@Lilu It really is... because without family the main "use" of men is taken away so now trying to figure that out is the fun!

Yes!

I've switched to "life is meaningless and empty" to " fuck that architecture. I do what I want. Now, I just need to figure that out!"

Well self discovery is kind of beaten out of us right from the get go

I guess having an agreement and discussing it is a circle jerk,

It's slowly becoming a MOTIVATION but I still am getting freedom TO 😄

The reason it may be discussed often is because it is relevant,

Well, People on the TFM server act like it's the end and be all.

I think MGTOW is closer to the natural way that men exist than anything that is taught to us.

What do you mean by that? @ColdEmbraceOfDeath

So what if you take away their rights? Technology is a thing, we're not going back to a time before electricity, so a woman's job is easy as shit.

You're still signing up for a shit deal

But of course that is a long ways away,

I think back to the Clint Eastwood movies that I watched as a kid now with MGTOW mindset and I think he gave us a glimpse of what being a man in the world is about.

For her popping out a couple of kids, still providing for her even after her point of utility

Saying if we do it now, the problems we’re having now would be fixed.

@everyone streaming: https://www.youtube.com/c/HappyHumbleHermit/live

Currently we don’t have that technology just yet.

But of course If I point that, there would be a guy on a marriage strike going all REE about it.

Really?

By technology, I meant washing machines, electric cookers etc.,

I have to run afk and grab my mic incase I want to chime in.

That a woman's duties aren't worth shit in the current year

I mean, I’m sure people on the monkey business discord server aren’t like that.

Here for discussion and debate after all.

It's not back breaking work compared to how it used to be in the past for a woman

Eh, I've had my fair share of debates with guys about that.

Well we still have our natural instincts, and it definitely is a burden it forces you and it punishes you for not having a women,

They all want the American dream, they are fine with that even if it's not a great deal to sign up for.

Your rewarded for having a women in your life, and that’s why many men like tradcons and traditionalists are ONLY led by their instincts.

But you can not act on it though, there are men here who are celibate and not in a relationship

Like NPC’s only operating on their basic instinctual function.

Well yeah I’m just pointing out that we still have that urge, not saying you should have a girlfriend.

I don't agree with it being instinctual, Tradcons do it because they think it's manly to do it, that's it's your responsibility