"I don't see other communities obsessing over self improvement."

Right it's like I hear the shaming language about to come out

Red Man Group?

Try going over to /r/GetMotivated

Rich Cooper for one

Well, reddit is shit so yeah, but my point still holds.

No co-habitation.
No marriage.
Everything *else* is permitted.

LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE IS PERMITTED

I don't get what your point is, even if people have some defects, what's wrong with people wanting to work on it?

I look away for a min and the chat becomes 🔥 👀

@KingGiraffasaur see the thing is even when I say self improvement it is on my own terms, if a man realizes how dumb it is to marry or cohabitate, THAT is self improvement to me

I just joined after 2 years of watching mgtow videos

agreed reaper

Telling? @KD

and KD, MGTOW IS about self improvement, one way or another

Why don't we get married?

Why don't we cohabitate?

lol

It's primarily a response to how things are in the current year, that's all it is.

Because it's a raw deal, basically, right?

@KingGiraffasaur agreed because a red pill man > blue pill mangina

mgtow makeup

A lot of guys focus on the self improvement aspects is that, guys need to find something to do with their lives.

i have to say, your making a lot of sense @KD can i ask what MGTOW means to you?

*several people are typing*

So if we are avoiding marriage and cohabitation, that would imply that we are trying not to REGRESS

Because if you get married, divorce, and lose half your money, that is regression

Self improvement part the way I see it is just a consequence of going their own, not a part of it by itself, I guess that's what he's getting at.

@KD learning to defend yourself IS a form of improvement, this is all symantics now

Unless you're telling me that being MGTOW is all about being content with mediocrity, the only other option is to PROGRESS

is there a debate VC?

It's to improve

Are you mgtow? @KD

@KD having the knowledge to make better decisions is the improvement, do you not see having better judgement as a change for the better?

So you're not MGTOW

You're red pill

Or better yet, you haven't accepted one of the core tenants of MGTOW, which is AWALT

I guess I get KD's point. Self improvement only comes after, primarily it's a just response to things. Not something that is inclusive of it. At least that's what I think he's trying to get at.

Or some believe in unicorns

🦄

The question becomes, why even improve yourself?