I would agree that acquiring skills that are never to be used isn't exactly improvement, but it may be fulfilment

@KD but if learning knowledge that you will never use takes away from time you would be doing something self destructive then it is a positive, it's a personal thing

Okay well here's MY definition of self improvement

Are you making changes that improve your Quality of Life

if yes? You are improving your condition

Are you making changes that improve your physical health, your mental health, etc.? Yes? You are improving your condition

I see MGTOW more as a rally point, or a lighthouse. It's a light that attracts the attention of men and warns the of the dangerous rocks that is feminism. This light attracts all different types of men, all logical trying to figure out what the issue is. And a lot of men will blame themselves thinking they need to self improve or self actualize.

@KD so if a guy stops banging H to level up his WOW character I will call it an improvement

That is not true

KD

Just because something works well does not mean it cannot be improved

@KingGiraffasauragreed not true

Are you saying that people should just be honest about having issues?

Hmm🤔

Okay so then what is one to do KD?

"You are perfect as you are, stay as you are"

Games as just another diversion

You sound like the feminists who excuse people being fat

@KingGiraffasaur exactly sounds like incel talk to me now

and that *some* hide behind "self improvemint" to mask those issues?

@Templar also true templar

I mean people with issues would be honest with themselves and want to improve themselves.

And to be entirely honest, if you find flaws in yourself, fix them

Same reason why fat people go to the gym.

So what's the issue?

I find flaws in myself so I work to fix them

How is that negative?

*Denial*

That's a fundamental part of the human existence

^

And if people do act on it IRL?

@KingGiraffasaur this may be a waste of time

And not simply something that is being discussed?

Talking about self improvement as a motivational thing though, what's wrong with that?

I believe where KD is coming from is that if you fundamentally believe that something is wrong with you, that there is something holding you back some trauma or self doubt, that you'll never realize that there isn't anything actually wrong with you and that thing your trying to "improve" on is just holding you back because you believe there is something that needs to be fixed. Correct me if im wrong

nothing but i dont think thats the issue @KingGiraffasaur

Maybe you're saying that is it a cover to not seem like it's about hating women or just not getting married?

@KingGiraffasaur bro this guy is basically just accusing us of being all talk and considering I was only talking about it for HIS benefit I'm good u guys all have a good evening

That's the thing though, I don't hate women, and I don't want to get married

Okay well I fundamentally disagree about that

Its just a discussion