Message from @Moosey

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2017-07-21 02:20:53 UTC  

and capitalism for that matter

2017-07-21 02:21:08 UTC  

false its reactionary to communism

2017-07-21 02:21:29 UTC  

I won't deny that

2017-07-21 02:21:36 UTC  

Fascism had a hybrid true capitalist model versus (((CAPITALISM)))

2017-07-21 02:22:12 UTC  

mfw at the impasse of my evening, current drink level slows me down but further drinks will facilitate so I must bear this burden

2017-07-21 02:22:13 UTC  

anything that even uses the word capital unironically is marxist and should be ceased

2017-07-21 02:22:40 UTC  

yeah false unless you like having absolutely no edge in anything engineering, business, or any other vector

2017-07-21 02:22:57 UTC  

germany didn't have king tigers by chance

2017-07-21 02:22:59 UTC  

capital itself is a flawed understanding of the material world

2017-07-21 02:23:02 UTC  

or panthers et al

2017-07-21 02:23:12 UTC  

you view capitalism in the wrong vein

2017-07-21 02:23:32 UTC  

you may not have money to do a business yourself others do and are gathering resources you invest as part of it and are rewarded with your surplus

2017-07-21 02:23:40 UTC  

Hobbes metaphysical pronouncement that all life is matter in motion implies heavily that he's a materialistic determinist. Not central to the good things he writes but uses enlightenment scientific ideas as the basis for his political reflections. I like him to a point, but he has his failings.

2017-07-21 02:24:23 UTC  

The problem is when your capital becomes something "worthwile" in and of itself

2017-07-21 02:24:34 UTC  

so you shouldnt get tangible assets

2017-07-21 02:24:36 UTC  

wtf

2017-07-21 02:24:39 UTC  

resources are not meaningful outside of their ability to sustain life

2017-07-21 02:24:41 UTC  

you some kind of commie faggot

2017-07-21 02:24:54 UTC  

yes they are lmao

2017-07-21 02:25:06 UTC  

not necessary is a better word

2017-07-21 02:25:07 UTC  

they generate further ability to operate and expand what you want in life from business to family

2017-07-21 02:25:24 UTC  

material expansion is the wrong kind of striving

2017-07-21 02:26:21 UTC  

in a metaphysical sense of course

2017-07-21 02:26:25 UTC  

Material expansion allows a society to have greater power than rival societies

2017-07-21 02:26:25 UTC  

nothing wrong with just living ur life

2017-07-21 02:26:28 UTC  

From an a prior standpoint they don't have intrinsic value as they're presumed. They're benefit derives from their use. In this context, capitalism =/= commerce and industry but something more specific.

2017-07-21 02:27:11 UTC  

you keep viewing this as a material expenditure due to your personal use

2017-07-21 02:27:26 UTC  

^^^^

2017-07-21 02:27:31 UTC  

a true capitalist reinvests in further items that generate revenue not a fucking material piece of shit brand name

2017-07-21 02:27:42 UTC  

@Mayor of Fashtown if you are defining your society solely upon its power and its material expanse then you are doing it wrong

2017-07-21 02:27:44 UTC  

there's ground for agreement between both positions.

2017-07-21 02:27:57 UTC  

So much this @Vanguard

2017-07-21 02:28:00 UTC  

@Moosey its not a zero sum game

2017-07-21 02:28:07 UTC  

there is a middle ground but its being framed incorrectly assuming that you invest buy yo nigga ass some ray bans or something

2017-07-21 02:29:09 UTC  

If we define the act of expansion itself as something to strive for then collapse is inevitable

2017-07-21 02:29:52 UTC  

From a philosophical position you're describing maybe mercantilism or commercial enterprise rather than capitalism itself though.

2017-07-21 02:29:54 UTC  

Expansion and acquisition of resources for the in group is the heart of nature itself

2017-07-21 02:30:12 UTC  

why is it inevitable?

2017-07-21 02:30:25 UTC  

There is a fine line between the natural survival need and greed

2017-07-21 02:30:44 UTC  

@skooks I'm speaking historically