ISIS just uses it for propagada even if its not true

It doesnt

Or else 9/11 wouldnt have happened

That's the catch 22. We've desperately tried to enact a self-sufficient government. The challenge is that their culture almost exclusively promotes dictatorship as the rule of law.

The greatest thing in afgahastan is that we are talking with al-queda

instead of killing the whole population

@Mersenne Of course I agree that the Islamic caliphate is a cancer on the planet and is killing many people. But they've mostly grown as a result of our presence

of afganahistan

Besides we need to be in war ready conidtion

This is useful experience

We send billions in foreign aid to Saudi Arabia who fund terrorist groups

They've definitely used US presence to sympathize with Islamic extremists, but this goes back to the pernicious nature of their culture and religion. Ignoring the geo-political aspects, it's worth handing this clusterfuck over the UN or more localized nations while preserving pockets of troops to monitor for Islamic militant activity.

And then we go over to fight them its a giant shit show

This is why i hate libertarians

Hippies

I would argue we've advanced to the point of where monitoring and drone strikes would be perfectly effective.

That cannot see the way of geopolitik

Well, libertarians only care about personal freedoms period

That's why they tend to be insufferable

Yeah

Do you disagree that we send billions in foreign aid to Saudi Arabia who fund terrorist groups

Nope

At least Dems have perceived values of care and fairness, with Republicans advocating for authority and tradition

and dont really care in exchange for oil

Huh

a few terrorists for an nation of oil

It's true that the Saudi's absolutely fund terrorist organizations.

Yep

However we need to become self-sufficient for crude production before you can expect ties to be severed completely.

Exactly

You're advocating for funding a war to fight the terrirists while we fund the terrorists. Do you realize how stupid that is

At that point fuck the saudis

its not really

Its an exchange

And besides the saudis prop them up and we knock them down

Knock them down quite easily i might add.

It's a breath of fresh air to recognize the problems, but proposing solutions is challenging when you have the American economy dependent on the Saudi's production of crude.

We have energy surplus but not crude surplus

Different things

And while I'm all about the idea of implementing electric vehicles, we're realistically 20 years from that landmark.

25 years