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TBH the HoL should be abolished
It should be reformed, abolishing it leaves a pretty sizeable vacuum
aka abolish
Reformation would keep the core ideas intact, that's not what should happen
idk the house of regions & nations feels like a good idea
seems like it addresses every grievance appropriately
Can we abolish Mayday as a Bank Holiday?
We could just use the Commons alone
We don't necessarily need a second house
You'd need one to keep the other in check, which is the Lord's supposed purpose
The Lords can't do that anyway though
The Commons can easily bypass the Lords
Ye, 'supposed', but having one house is a bad idea if there isn't a way of checking and vetting what they pass
I suppose you could have the Monarch do that, but I don't think that'd last long
What we could do actually is have one house elected by FPTP and another elected by PR
yah, tbh the commons can bypass the lords, but the lords have a microphone to sound alarm bells that can fuck up the commons optics
The issue is PR still would not work then. Because all that would happen law would be made in the tory commons, then when its passed up to the second house that would be PR (and therefore 45% approx tory) it would fail. You would have the same issue that we had with BRexit and a minority government
And no laws would get passed, the opposition would rail on the government saying "see, cant do anything" and eventually they would win by blocking everything else
PR only works when parties are not polarised, and it is fair to say Labour, LibDems, SNP, and nearly every other opposition party is so polarised they would never work *with* the government unless they got everything they wanted- which isn't how coalitions etc are supposed to work
We could just keep the power the same and ensure that the second house can't block the commons
My musing: say the houses be such: the lower is PR, the upper is FPTP. What would that look like?
Lower house would be fucking useless
The upper house would be better at doing things
PR doesn't work
It's for countries that are content being third rate nations mostly
You need decision making ability if you want your nation to be anything important
That requires FPTP or a form of PR that grants majorities
I am saying that we keep the commons using the FPTP system so things can actually get done while switching the Lords to a PR system while not granting them any extra power, The Lords can still function as an advisory house then which will prevent it from blocking everything
@The Electric Lizard making the lords PR would risk making them seem more legitimate than the commons. They should probably be FPTP too.
~~*STV in the distance*~~
I've always thought an appointed Lords made sense, since it balances out the populism of the other elected chamber. Personally, I think it should be reformed to have sections (5-7 members each) who specialise in a field (economics and business, healthcare, education, etc.), and a board appoints specialists to the House to ensure there is a full contingent. Proper oversight, checks and balance to the commons, and effective in their own right.
that's under the assumption that it would be implemented perfectly to your ideals
As is everything, and it isn't like it's blind or without methods of proper implementation
jo fuck that shit, in ww1 Brittan had a empire spanning half the globe. let alone they went into the conflict to restrict German power in Europe. Of course the British were nationalistic, u wanna rewrite history?