Message from @vaultright

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2017-08-15 09:04:45 UTC  

inb4 8pol claims this is proof that weev is CIA.

2017-08-15 09:05:03 UTC  

They can tell if you're using TOR, but not what you do... until they can. Sometimes they can see who is using it and what they access, but they only bother breaking the security for child trafficers etc. afaik

2017-08-15 09:06:53 UTC  

oh so as long as you aren't going down the silk road you're fine

2017-08-15 09:07:02 UTC  

until it's illegal to read the daily stormer

2017-08-15 09:07:13 UTC  

It's the IT equivalent of buying loads of guns. It looks suspicious but you're allowed to do it.

2017-08-15 09:07:27 UTC  

Nah man reading the daily stormer is legal in the UK... afaik

2017-08-15 09:07:58 UTC  

just watch what you post on their boards? or is that still legal

2017-08-15 09:08:54 UTC  

I don't think there's currently anything in our law about reading the stormer, although if you get involved in any crime that could be considered race-related and they see your history (which is easier to get in UK for justice) then they can add a "hate crime" multiplier and get you put away for longer (wheel of fortune justice?)

2017-08-15 09:09:02 UTC  

Obviously you have to watch what you post

2017-08-15 09:09:47 UTC  

That's the case in the USA too, actually. You can't plan out crimes etc. Over here you are also not allowed to say mean things that could spur up racial hatred, especially if they're true tbh

2017-08-15 09:10:04 UTC  

No gtkrwn stuff basically

2017-08-15 09:10:14 UTC  

Holocaust denial as well

2017-08-15 09:10:23 UTC  

That's a recent addition

2017-08-15 09:17:25 UTC  

Anyone here good at memes? The honey bo bo running, but from a dodge would be pretty funny

2017-08-15 09:24:45 UTC  

What is your best argument against tactical nihilism? Today I had someone tell me that my socially conservative believes based on adaption and biological evolution are subjective, and I didn't know what to say other than people are more psychologically coherent when following their own evolved instincts.

2017-08-15 09:25:28 UTC  

But they said "what if a woman's instincts are not to have kids" and that stumped me

2017-08-15 09:27:09 UTC  

Any woman who doesn't want to have kids IS going against their instincts - men and women are biologically hard wired to want to reproduce, a good example of this might be a person's sex drive

2017-08-15 09:28:00 UTC  

It is true for most women that they have it- maybe I should have said that I make policy based on the average and not the individual

2017-08-15 09:28:23 UTC  

They aren't subjective, we can objectively see biological evolution, play out in each countries ability to produce a productive society

2017-08-15 09:28:46 UTC  

They went really full blown tactical nihilism on me asking for my moral presuppositions for my politics

2017-08-15 09:29:13 UTC  

I am not a religious person so I didn't say god I just said evolutionary adaptation

2017-08-15 09:31:25 UTC  

@vaultright people using tactical nihilism generally are trying to deconstruct your point by appealing to the absurdity of the universe, humans, existence in general etc. They are welcome to do this if they accept they don't have a stake in what you do or advocate for. For them to be pro-immigration or anti-traditionalist they have taken a position which is exactly as arbitrary as yours. Nihilism doesn't actually benefit their argument, it just deconstructs any sensible argument.

2017-08-15 09:31:52 UTC  

I pointed that out and they agreed

2017-08-15 09:32:03 UTC  

That their view is just as subjective as mine

2017-08-15 09:32:14 UTC  

So then it's irrelevant

2017-08-15 09:32:28 UTC  

But then they psychoanalyzed me for my subjective beliefs

2017-08-15 09:32:43 UTC  

(((psychoanalysis)))

2017-08-15 09:32:44 UTC  

Saying "were you bullied to become this way?" Like what?

2017-08-15 09:33:03 UTC  

That's ad hominem, you could just as easily analyse her and attack her character in all sorts of ways for being more liberal

2017-08-15 09:33:27 UTC  

I also said psychoanalysis is irrelevant and they disagreed. Then they said we were "having a discussion and not a debate"

2017-08-15 09:33:47 UTC  

So it basicallly went full subjectivism

2017-08-15 09:33:49 UTC  

And i left

2017-08-15 09:34:04 UTC  

I would point out that she is a utopian, asking for things that are idealistic and stem from marxism (which ended in suffering and treachery), and you want traditionalism which is empirically shown to be good for most people

2017-08-15 09:34:22 UTC  

Yeah I didn't even get the chance to point that out

2017-08-15 09:34:26 UTC  

Fair

2017-08-15 09:34:46 UTC  

We need good philosophical arguments against this postmodernist crap

2017-08-15 09:35:18 UTC  

I think Jordan Peterson makes good arguments against postmodernism, not too hot on it myself

2017-08-15 09:35:45 UTC  

Also, you are extremely right about their appeals to absurdity when they are losing the argument

2017-08-15 09:36:13 UTC  

Its so annoying because it has truth to it but no relevance to the argument

2017-08-15 09:36:43 UTC  

Thanks, I'm proud of that one. I've had trouble with the nihilists and that thought was my own. Probably one of my few original ideas (and it was kind of based on what Mike Enoch said anyway...)