which is not really my gripe

it's just that the purposeful mischaracterization of people's positions just to make themselves feel better about their own views, is retarded

it's time to stop.avi

Yes, but if we didn't strawman people we'd have to talk to them and end up having our fundamental views questioned.

it sounds like someone is about to launch their tomahawk missles

i don't have enough tomahawks to get rid of all of the strawman-ers

You'd have to remove almost everyone.

i just want them to stop being bad at arguments and thinking

if burnside sees this he will memacaust you again @Iamawesom

@Benzmiller People are almost always unwilling to get over themselves.

i know, but what else can i say, other than to call them retards and tell them to stop

or maybe they're unable to

Well, you can't reason a person out of somewhere they didn't reason themselves into.
But there are more advanced argument methods.

Socratic is good, make them ask questions about the fundamental nature of their ideology.

Of course this only works if the person understands the difference between a question and answer. Fact and opinion.

i'm sure they don't even understand the socratic method

No, but you can make them use it in an argument.

this is why i generally don't engage them. they can't stay on topic

That's another thing.

If you're talking about convincing people to stop supporting communist horseshit, it takes experience of the real world before they wake the fuck up. I've never known a working person who has ever supported communism.

we're not

The proliteriat don't wanna be dictators.
They just wanna have a beer with the missus.

The proles realize that it's better to be able to climb a ladder than to be stranded on the floor for life

It's pseudo intellectual middle class idiots who think they can fix the world via leveling the plane.

I don't want level, that's shit, I wanna be able to not work one day.
I want movement, thriving, life that is questioned and vibrant with a relied source of income.

also, it's kind of hard to use the socratic method with a person who is unwilling to participate

That's the big thing.
If a person isn't willing to debate then don't debate them.

In that situation they usually only listen to "authority"
In which case I'd recommend becoming and authority of some kind.

sadly that's most people

Well, I've yet to meet a girl who can debate using rationality.
And as far as men go it's a very small minority.

hard to escape it. i would say that i want to go into academia, but it's not like it's a huge step up, but at least the platform for debate is more defined at a college that isn't taken over by communists

yes, both sexes are terrible at it

Perhaps, but show me a university that isn't marxist at some point.

some private schools

plus, i'd be willing to go in and combat them, somebody has to keep them from having a monopoly on it

That's a fair point.

inspiring some students can change their minds for the better and add more people to our way of thinking

or to reason, logic, etc

And it'd be good to break the echo chamber a bit.
Though I'm quite sure that if I expressed many of my views I'd be... unwelcome.

yeah, the only way to get in is to lay low till you get tenure