I can see the point

muh classical liberalism

not really actually, 2A is a deterrant

it is that in a sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMhrc3Zd93Q

More likely to face violent splinter groups

you can't be draconian to people with guns, its just not possible

it is a deterrent, but given the worst situation

Also good as a defense to occupation

its not about an active revolution its about preventing that from ever needing to be neccesary

Again you give too much credit to people

why not both

the second ammendment is there as a deterrnet, but in the worst situation it justifies it to the larger population.

sooooo both of you are correct

@franti why can't you accept people have individual agency?

you really think you know better than other people as to what they should do with their life?

fucking collectivists.

Why can't you own tanks and such?

So you assert that people have free will?

you can

I'm gonna buy a tank one day and drive it around in an open field

yeha, the largest gun a American can actually buy is basically an artillery piece

are there any private tanks then? How about some personal nuclear devices

people can own tanks

pretty big

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/US/photos/Privately-owned_M18-Hellcat_Museum-of-the-American-GI2007-open-house_reenactment.jpg privately owned

https://www.drivetanks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Mid-Page-Images-700-1-1.jpg

this too

does it stand a chance against a modern one?

you just can't have the ammo i guess

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2014/06/02/legal-to-buy-a-tank/

The US government would never Nuke it's own population because they would be destroying themselves

It does not

An Abrams would fuck that thing up

no but these are whats actually available

perhaps not, but you could keep them off your backs

you can buy an abrams!

you don't own a tank to fight with it

theres nothing about an abrams that make them illegal to own they're simply not sold

how about some private drones

you own it to collect it