Message from McNukes in /r/SargonOfAkkad (Sparta) #politics-free-for-all


2017-11-06 22:34:53 UTC  

don't be a dick

2017-11-06 22:34:57 UTC  

that's the golden rule

2017-11-06 22:35:01 UTC  

^

2017-11-06 22:35:09 UTC  

There is overwhelming evidence to suggest that races have genetic differences

2017-11-06 22:35:14 UTC  

That is race realism

2017-11-06 22:35:18 UTC  

if you believe it or not, it's irrelevant

2017-11-06 22:35:26 UTC  

and i guess that's the problem here

2017-11-06 22:35:27 UTC  

No value judgments need come from it necessarily

2017-11-06 22:35:50 UTC  

Is vs Ought anyone?

2017-11-06 22:35:59 UTC  

what?

2017-11-06 22:36:35 UTC  

@Fulcrum010 How things are vs how things ought to be

2017-11-06 22:36:37 UTC  

The issues with race realism seem to be policy implications etc

2017-11-06 22:36:43 UTC  

oh, got it

2017-11-06 22:36:51 UTC  

never heard it like this before

2017-11-06 22:36:53 UTC  

Irrelevant to the truth of the observation of racial differences

2017-11-06 22:37:48 UTC  

That's pretty much where the arguments about race realism come from.

2017-11-06 22:38:35 UTC  

How is that the same thing as white nationalism? (Ought)

2017-11-06 22:39:31 UTC  

Depends on what kind of white nationalist you're talking about

2017-11-06 22:40:28 UTC  

Not really

2017-11-06 22:40:41 UTC  

The whitish nationalist-ish kind

2017-11-06 22:40:48 UTC  

There's the "keep white nations white via implying the law and kicking out illegal non-white" white nationalists and the "Ethno state" white nationalists.

2017-11-06 22:41:10 UTC  

Neither of those necessarily follows race realism

2017-11-06 22:41:21 UTC  

And I don't see the distinction really

2017-11-06 22:41:30 UTC  

But race realism can lead to it

2017-11-06 22:41:32 UTC  

It's a half step

2017-11-06 22:41:40 UTC  

Slippery slope huh?

2017-11-06 22:41:46 UTC  

Slorp

2017-11-06 22:41:51 UTC  

yeah

2017-11-06 22:42:02 UTC  

not saying it's true for every race-realist though

2017-11-06 22:42:22 UTC  

Well can we recognize that we are intelligent adults who won't automatically fall down that slope?

2017-11-06 22:42:36 UTC  

So we can actually acknowledge reality

2017-11-06 22:42:46 UTC  

Intelligent adults? Nowadays?

2017-11-06 22:42:54 UTC  

Yes, you can

2017-11-06 22:43:18 UTC  

So conflating race realism with ethnonationalism is unproductive

2017-11-06 22:43:40 UTC  

It only fuels extremism on both sides

2017-11-06 22:43:48 UTC  

Yes

2017-11-06 22:44:07 UTC  

And i will admit, I am guilty of conflating these at one point

2017-11-06 22:44:47 UTC  

> They're the same thing, imo

2017-11-06 22:45:11 UTC  

@BrianBoru i guess everyone here knows that race exists and that some difference between then exists.


What we are talking about is the crowd that go, "blacks are genetically inferior" and etc

2017-11-06 22:45:25 UTC  

Then we are all race realists

2017-11-06 22:45:28 UTC  

Congratulations