Message from @franti

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2017-11-10 09:25:08 UTC  

I mean I think I see the disconnect you're inferring.

2017-11-10 09:25:33 UTC  

Government firing squads vs rando shooters

2017-11-10 09:26:01 UTC  

Is that what you're referring to?

2017-11-10 09:26:28 UTC  

That, as well as the fact that it's several decades ago.

2017-11-10 09:26:35 UTC  

But I'm glad that you can see the flaw.

2017-11-10 09:27:20 UTC  

I'll take being allowed to own guns with the risk of randos any day though

2017-11-10 09:27:22 UTC  

With that said though, I do believe in the reports I read about in the past it seems there was more shooting per capita in europe than in america, but I know that some terrorist attacks was factored in, so I don't know exactly how far away it is.

2017-11-10 09:28:02 UTC  

I was just was afraid your position on gun violence was so frail you'd have to resort to flawed arguement to strengthen your platform. (Not uncommon mind you)

2017-11-10 09:28:36 UTC  

Really? I mean....with Chicago and Detroit I figured we'd be way over Europe

2017-11-10 09:30:16 UTC  

I don't know to be honest.
Most of my friends (americans) realise there's a problem with gun violence but can not really come up with a solution which is about right for the situation as a whole.
But then you have the defensive gun owners who needs to justify it to others.

2017-11-10 09:30:42 UTC  

In fairness I don't know these defensive gun owners personally I only see them write articles or get butthurt in comment sections of various articles of videos.

2017-11-10 09:31:14 UTC  

But I do have some very gun happy people that I play ArmA3 with who doesn't just shrug it all off.

2017-11-10 09:36:32 UTC  

The problem is most gun crimes are committed with illegally obtained guns, whether via theft, smuggling, or unlawful manufacture.

The people most affected by laws aimed at criminals end up being the lawful owners. Especially when the proposed legislation is completely inept, ineffectual, and worst of all, written maliciously by people who know nothing about guns

2017-11-10 09:37:29 UTC  

What would be root cause of all this crime then?

2017-11-10 09:39:00 UTC  

I don't own a gun myself, but to kind of understand their points better you have to think of it in different terms. Imagine if you owned a truck, for example. Legally purchased, you got your license, etc.
Then, following one of these truck attacks, everybody started calling for trucks to be taken away, or restricted, or trying to ban you from buying accessories for your truck (like different tires, rims, hubcaps, lights, etc.). You'd feel pretty wrongly victimized, since you didn't do anything. You followed the law, you did everything right, and now you're being indirectly punished for something somebody else did, legally-obtained truck or not.

2017-11-10 09:42:50 UTC  

Thug and gang culture

2017-11-10 09:42:58 UTC  

Drugs etc

2017-11-10 09:44:45 UTC  

And how have things detoriated to this extend then?

2017-11-10 09:44:47 UTC  

Something happened in the 80's and 90's. Thug culture became the default and education was looked down on as "white people shit"

2017-11-10 09:45:09 UTC  

My cousin used to teach in New York City

2017-11-10 09:45:39 UTC  

The drugs are a problem

2017-11-10 09:45:54 UTC  

Mostly the laced stuff

2017-11-10 09:46:50 UTC  

She couldn't take it anymore because the kids hated having to go to school, constant arrests, drug possession, several times kids brought guns to school just because they had them and wanted to show off

2017-11-10 09:47:10 UTC  

I havent see a workable solution yet and banning guns will make gun owners only criminals

2017-11-10 09:47:43 UTC  

There is a demonization of education in those communities

2017-11-10 09:47:54 UTC  

On top of poor funding

2017-11-10 09:48:00 UTC  

Oh I have an idea

2017-11-10 09:48:40 UTC  

What do you say If the wellfare was tied to school atendeance?

2017-11-10 09:48:51 UTC  

One major boost would be to fund education far more

2017-11-10 09:49:00 UTC  

Oh boy

2017-11-10 09:49:16 UTC  

Well

2017-11-10 09:49:29 UTC  

The parents are the ones on welfare

2017-11-10 09:49:35 UTC  

You dont get your child to shcool no welfare for you

2017-11-10 09:49:47 UTC  

The kids are just there to boost income via welfare

2017-11-10 09:50:20 UTC  

And you wont get the welfare unless you educate them

2017-11-10 09:50:40 UTC  

I feel that might just cause them to abandon truant kids more than anything. They're already costing you money to raise, and now having them is a liability if they don't show up to school

2017-11-10 09:51:20 UTC  

Well it didnt cause the gypsies to abandon theirs here

2017-11-10 09:51:27 UTC  

Probably wouldn't work. We're not even allowed to drug test for welfare, it's ridiculous

2017-11-10 09:51:58 UTC  

And it's very different cultures

2017-11-10 09:52:02 UTC  

This is cheaper than drug testing

2017-11-10 09:52:54 UTC  

Also open up new abortion clinics near black neighbourhoods