I know what philosophy is I'm not saying it's invalid it just isn't scientific

It's speculation

wut

No, philosophy isn't science. It's not non-science either.

It's principles you use to think and communicate. You need them to do science, you need them to reason, to do politics, even to do arts.

Yes, ancient philosophers thought they could figure out nature by just thinking really hard about it.

That part wasn't science.

I can figure out nature by thinking really hard about it.

Yes but the second you start actually forming legitimate hypothesis with fail and success states that follow the scientific method you are no longer doing philosophy

Maybe you're outside of the inane endless struggle of humanity.

Philosophical ideas need not be necessarily unscientific but they are speculation by definition

Logic still came from philosophy.

Ok, but that doesn't mean it's science

Logic isn't science.

But you better derive your scientific conclusions with logic.

Yea

Philosophy was also important in figuring out that seemingly logical constructs can construct absurd inquiries. We call them paradoxes.

In Computer Sciences, this shows up as undecidable problems.

e.g. "I'm lying"

I'm not quite sure how to respond, because it obviously depends on the subject matter and also - whether we like it or not - how you've grown to interpret "paradox", but I've never considered undecidable problems in computing to be paradoxes at all

to me, a paradox is when you start with a reasonable preposition or whatever, and then the conclusion is not what you'd expect

roughly speaking

Undecidable problems are questions that describe problems in a way that make them appear answerable, but they aren't.

oh, then we disagree on what an undecidable problem is

"An algorithm that can check if a program enters an infinite loop or eventually stops."

right

that's not a paradox

the conclusion is entirely what I expect

Since the only way to know what happens is to actually run the program, the algorithm analyzing the program has to compute the same thing as the program itself. Therefore, analyzing is the same as computing.

So if it enters an infinite loop, the analysis will also loop, and therefore you'll never get an answer.

So the question really was, can we know the final result of a computation without running the computation?

The proof is actually very lengthy.

I'm not sure, should I just repeat myself?

>A paradox is a statement that, despite apparently sound reasoning from true premises, leads to an apparently self-contradictory or logically unacceptable conclusion.

this might appear like a paradox to someone who doesn't know the subject matter, but like I said, the conclusion to this algorithm is entirely expected for me

Probably every paradox can be reworded in a way that makes the contradiction in the question evident.

>Some paradoxes have revealed errors in definitions assumed to be rigorous, and have caused axioms of mathematics and logic to be re-examined. One example is Russell's paradox, which questions whether a "list of all lists that do not contain themselves" would include itself, and showed that attempts to found set theory on the identification of sets with properties or predicates were flawed.[7] Others, such as Curry's paradox, are not yet resolved.

I'd say that provided the wording of the supposed paradox includes the word "arbitrary" or equivalent, it's not actually a paradox

a paradox is always resolved, by my own definition of the word, like I said, so we don't really agree on the basics of the semantics

which is fine, and almost always the case, it just means I should not have said anything at the outset

So "your definition" of paradox says it's always resolved? No unresolved paradoxes?