Message from @nathan
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Women are allowed to give their baby for adoption.
When I say trivial, I mean women should be allowed to abort a baby if it's going to screw over their life. The woman is the one who decides that.
Let's simplify this discussion; I'm making the same points as Crowder, it's easier to see where he went. Then you can decide if you have a better response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCSZYJywQPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUd6Z_zyXZM
If you truly think a 9 month baby isn't worth saving because the mother doesn't want, then, like Crowder, we don't have much to discuss.
Then indeed you need to make the point of what life, if any, deserves protection.
I genuinely doubt I could change your mind, regardless of what sort of reason I use to explain it. You've done a great job explaining your point of view, but it isn't going to change my mind either. Good talk though, you really had me at a loss a few times. π
I strongly recommend you to watch those two videos. He's legitimately trying to find a common ground. He's not being sarcastic, dismissive, or anything. The point is, if you can't derive your politics from anything other than tribal instinct of "us vs them", you might be wrong and you don't know it. And by "wrong" I mean contradict a principle you yourself hold true. One of the big divisions between left and right is, one thing the government has the duty to guarantee comfort, the other thinks the government has the duty prevent death.
He didn't make any religious argument by the way.
holy tits thats like an hour and 40 minutes of video
It's various conversations.
You can watch one or two or however many you think it's worth it.
I'll have to watch like half tonight and the rest tomorrow, thanks for sharing the vids with me
Come on, if you watch JBP, that's not bad.
I've seen some of Crowder's stuff and I thought most of it was pretty funny
I thought he was just a clown, but the Change My Mind videos made me actually pay more attention to him.
He's very smart.
Oh, maybe skip the first one, it's 1 hour with one bitch that just keeps going around in circles, talking about her own abortion and just ignoring anything Crowder said. "My pregnancy was traumatic, are you saying I shouldn't have aborted?"
The second one is much better.
Yeah, the lady in the first one clearly doesn't really know what she's doing.
She's talking about it from a personal perspective, which significantly narrows her view.
She might be too trad for me my dudes
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whats wrong about a white ethnostate?
What's wrong with turning the frickin frogs gay
Liberal non ideological server
no but Liberal
eh?
I don't understand what you guys are saying
They put SOY in the Starbucks and all of the men start wearing bikinis
the NHS is powered on the people's will
like, it may well be running on fumes... but it's running at all because everyone who uses it or works for it believes in having a national health service
so I don't see it ever going "bust", just getting butchered by cuts
I get the impression there's always more money to be had for the NHS, it's jut they're being constrained because they're using their funding inappropriately. I've heard things about them expanding middle management, and cutting nurses/therapists, and I've heard things about plans to keep GPs open 7 days a week by outsourcing to private companies who will cost us more in the long term... then there was the whole issue with Spine, intended to stop the NHS from running on paper, but ended up being run by some private company who did the job wrong and cost the NHS billions
I think it's good that they're investing in NHS Digital, and launching Spine 2... I can really see it paying off in the long run (as long as it's done correctly)
but they're huge projects... so the NHS is gonna be strapped for cash in the meantime
I just get pissed off with all these 'kind' people that REEEE abvout the NHS
none of them would ever actually work for it
Privatize the nhs now tbh
there would be riots