Message from @nathan
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Do you really think that women are just going to start aborting babies for trivial reasons just because it's legal?
Less than 1% of abortions are done to save the mother's life.
If a woman is aborting a baby and going through all of that emotional trauma, there's likely a damn good reason for it.
They already *are* aborting for trivial reasons.
Define trivial.
I'm not talking about saving women's lives, I'm talking about saving their chance to have a life outside of poverty.
Okay, let me answer this question before you ask another.
Women are allowed to give their baby for adoption.
When I say trivial, I mean women should be allowed to abort a baby if it's going to screw over their life. The woman is the one who decides that.
Let's simplify this discussion; I'm making the same points as Crowder, it's easier to see where he went. Then you can decide if you have a better response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCSZYJywQPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUd6Z_zyXZM
If you truly think a 9 month baby isn't worth saving because the mother doesn't want, then, like Crowder, we don't have much to discuss.
Then indeed you need to make the point of what life, if any, deserves protection.
I genuinely doubt I could change your mind, regardless of what sort of reason I use to explain it. You've done a great job explaining your point of view, but it isn't going to change my mind either. Good talk though, you really had me at a loss a few times. 👍
I strongly recommend you to watch those two videos. He's legitimately trying to find a common ground. He's not being sarcastic, dismissive, or anything. The point is, if you can't derive your politics from anything other than tribal instinct of "us vs them", you might be wrong and you don't know it. And by "wrong" I mean contradict a principle you yourself hold true. One of the big divisions between left and right is, one thing the government has the duty to guarantee comfort, the other thinks the government has the duty prevent death.
He didn't make any religious argument by the way.
holy tits thats like an hour and 40 minutes of video
It's various conversations.
You can watch one or two or however many you think it's worth it.
I'll have to watch like half tonight and the rest tomorrow, thanks for sharing the vids with me
Come on, if you watch JBP, that's not bad.
I thought he was just a clown, but the Change My Mind videos made me actually pay more attention to him.
He's very smart.
Oh, maybe skip the first one, it's 1 hour with one bitch that just keeps going around in circles, talking about her own abortion and just ignoring anything Crowder said. "My pregnancy was traumatic, are you saying I shouldn't have aborted?"
The second one is much better.
Yeah, the lady in the first one clearly doesn't really know what she's doing.
She's talking about it from a personal perspective, which significantly narrows her view.
She seems to treat the issue as though every case is the same as her own.
She might be too trad for me my dudes
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whats wrong about a white ethnostate?
What's wrong with turning the frickin frogs gay
Liberal non ideological server
no but Liberal
eh?
I don't understand what you guys are saying
They put SOY in the Starbucks and all of the men start wearing bikinis
the NHS is powered on the people's will
like, it may well be running on fumes... but it's running at all because everyone who uses it or works for it believes in having a national health service
so I don't see it ever going "bust", just getting butchered by cuts