Message from @MuChaDo

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2018-09-23 12:03:47 UTC  

Ok so how is it magical thinking? @MuChaDo

2018-09-23 12:04:37 UTC  

"As long as there is no coercion or involuntary payment to the chief" - if the chief is the one who makes the rules, how is this to be guaranteed?

2018-09-23 12:05:08 UTC  

Anarchism doesnt work, never worked, and will undoubtedly end in death as people accumilate power within the system.

2018-09-23 12:05:40 UTC  

individual localised cases are irrelivant since they operated on tribalism

2018-09-23 12:06:11 UTC  

You are stating the itent for a anarchistic system, which is where there are no heirachies

2018-09-23 12:06:14 UTC  

In a tribe of ten, I dont think the chief will have much of a chance if he starts creating crazy laws for his tribe. Considering the chief is often quite older aswell @MuChaDo

2018-09-23 12:06:34 UTC  

you arent talking about tribalism if you want ANARCHAL capitalism

2018-09-23 12:06:51 UTC  

Tribalism and Anarchy are opposing ideologies

2018-09-23 12:07:01 UTC  

anarchy works until the guy with the gun shows up takes over the power and anyone that refuse get a bullet

2018-09-23 12:07:38 UTC  

Tribal Capitalism is the only example you have mentioned that worked. They do not operate through Anarchy

2018-09-23 12:08:10 UTC  

Yes, I know that hierarchies are inevitable in the private sector, but I see no reason for a select group of people to take the fruits of our labour by force and encapsulate us in their geographic region of operation. Force is active and therefore carries the burden of proof, this is the one thing the state has not fulfilled

2018-09-23 12:08:33 UTC  

@Nordhand Not when there are 100 people with guns also pointing theirs at the agressors head

2018-09-23 12:08:38 UTC  

"In a tribe of ten" - what limits tribes to 10? This is survival of the strongest isn't it?

2018-09-23 12:08:40 UTC  

what you say you want is not Anarchal

2018-09-23 12:08:54 UTC  

Also noted is that you accept the existence of tribes but somehow object to the notion of warlords

2018-09-23 12:09:09 UTC  

it is defined as "Neotribal capitalism"

2018-09-23 12:09:56 UTC  

I have heard this point by lib-socs before, the definition of anarchy has changed from "no hierarchies", to "no state" @Dwarforn

2018-09-23 12:10:03 UTC  

but at the end of the day its semantics

2018-09-23 12:10:36 UTC  

@MuChaDo In most tribes the peasants are greater in numbers than the rule-developing entity

2018-09-23 12:10:52 UTC  

But not in firepower

2018-09-23 12:11:05 UTC  

i.e. military capability

2018-09-23 12:11:09 UTC  

yes, but the employers of the said peasants have more power

2018-09-23 12:11:17 UTC  

becuase they have greater wealth

2018-09-23 12:12:28 UTC  

Screw communism, but what stops them becoming the societal equivalent of Tsarist nobles

2018-09-23 12:13:33 UTC  

Also the 'rule developing entity' functions as a single entity, but the 'peasants' are individuals or at best small groups

2018-09-23 12:13:39 UTC  

Well not really, both the employer and the employee benefit from eachother symbiotically. The employer values the labour more than the $10 and the employee values the $10 more than the labour. Therefore what stops them from becoming agressive cunts is the fact that productivity is lessened when the incentive to work is decreased seeing as you will die if you work as quickly as if you dont @Dwarforn This was one of the failures of the USSR

2018-09-23 12:14:52 UTC  

@MuChaDo Ancapistan will most likely be formed in America, a country where the rate of firearm ownership is greater than the fucking population and this is WITH the state's added "protection", once thats gone I expect it will increase drastically making it almost impossible for an agressor

2018-09-23 12:15:47 UTC  

(Tsarist Nobility is clearly PRE COMMUNISM since its "Tsarist") Russian Nobles could claim Estateless nobility: obtained without the allotment and securing of a landed estate

2018-09-23 12:15:59 UTC  

The "fucking population" has limited military capability

2018-09-23 12:16:15 UTC  

Ancap = chess game in which neither player has to follow the rules. First move wins

2018-09-23 12:16:51 UTC  

@AsianMessiah Yes, America will become a real life **Tom Clancy's: The Division**

2018-09-23 12:19:00 UTC  

Well, for one the accumulation of such artilery takes time. Now, with the amount of information being passed through the internet increased, the likelyhood that we would be able to detect an oncoming storm of a warlord is high, Therefore we would value a few 100 bucks more than being enslaved and then will pay for assasins to take down a would-be warlord. The incentive for this to be an accurate and efficient process is high. Your chess game annalogy is flawed, the state has already decided the rules and flipped the board over anyways @MuChaDo

2018-09-23 12:19:21 UTC  

@Dwarforn I have never played a Clancy

2018-09-23 12:20:02 UTC  

Rainbow 6 Siege is good. It might be a good law enforcement model

2018-09-23 12:20:08 UTC  

Way too expensive and full of autistic kids for me

2018-09-23 12:20:18 UTC  

what, Siege?

2018-09-23 12:20:25 UTC  

Yh

2018-09-23 12:20:29 UTC  

its like $20

2018-09-23 12:20:45 UTC  

Humble Bundle dude

2018-09-23 12:20:47 UTC  

Ik, thats expensive nigga