Message from @Goblin_Slayer_Floki

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2018-09-09 22:27:30 UTC  

The two party system has otehr issues though, as evidenced while Obama was in office, did he not have an unprecedented ammount of executive orders, i remember articles from senators claiming they were unable to even speak to him, as he was working with a majority Republican senate? The only two sides makes finding a compromize very hard top do if people start running party lines.

2018-09-09 22:28:21 UTC  

With more parties and a defacto coalition to begin with, you alwasy have possible negotiations where not 50% hates the other 50%

2018-09-09 22:28:56 UTC  

not saying that 70 parties is a solution though lol

2018-09-09 22:28:57 UTC  

He didnt have an unprecented, but yes a lot. Many of which toed carlessly near illegal. The reson we are set up that way is a check and balance system. Something lacking in say the uk

2018-09-09 22:29:06 UTC  

@Xenosural Well, historically our two parties (which isn't even a requirement) have worked better together

2018-09-09 22:29:25 UTC  

But tbh the founders said parties at all are a death of a nation

2018-09-09 22:29:56 UTC  

Because party ideals begin to outwiegh the constituency needs

2018-09-09 22:30:30 UTC  

No more parties, only individuals, that would make election time crazy over here.

2018-09-09 22:30:33 UTC  

Rand Paul is a "republican", but just as a label. It's just a name, with nothing attached

2018-09-09 22:30:56 UTC  

Yea both our parties are made up of tons of sub parties

2018-09-09 22:31:09 UTC  

Just in defacto alliance when elections come

2018-09-09 22:31:41 UTC  

We dont have geographically representation though, locally we have the city councils we vote for but those are mostly charters of the national parties with some local only stuff sprinkeled in.

2018-09-09 22:31:47 UTC  

One states moderate republican is another states moderate democrat

2018-09-09 22:32:04 UTC  

Basically

2018-09-09 22:32:18 UTC  

But elections for city council does not translate to the national level

2018-09-09 22:32:22 UTC  

Yea our states mimmic our fed

2018-09-09 22:32:41 UTC  

They dont really here either. They just get all put on the same ballet for ease

2018-09-09 22:33:11 UTC  

And to answer your statement fitz. If states didnt issue the ballpts, then the feds would and it would be mute.

2018-09-09 22:33:14 UTC  

Jeeze, representation without regard to geography would be a nightmare

2018-09-09 22:33:25 UTC  

States prefer to have the control so

2018-09-09 22:34:09 UTC  

And they prolly get funding which helps pay for their own elections held at the same time

2018-09-09 22:34:33 UTC  

Well over here we can traverse the whole country up and down and have time to spare to go on holliday in a single day. Our 'states' are more like municipalities or counties compared to the US.

2018-09-09 22:34:57 UTC  

Yea no geo representation would be insane. Think mass policy being decided by arizona

2018-09-09 22:35:07 UTC  

Fair.

2018-09-09 22:35:13 UTC  

Germany right?

2018-09-09 22:36:24 UTC  

That is what is happening, the majority of the people are in like 4 cities in 2 provinces, every other province barely has a voice in the critical mass.

2018-09-09 22:36:26 UTC  

Netherlands

2018-09-09 22:36:32 UTC  

Ah

2018-09-09 22:37:00 UTC  

Germany is similar, but iirc the people identify regionally far more than nationally

2018-09-09 22:37:38 UTC  

Its almost as if regional govs have more power than the fed internally

2018-09-09 22:37:39 UTC  

Yes, germany is more like the US in that the Bundes (states) have some form of self government that is actually visible in politics.

2018-09-09 22:38:22 UTC  

Your entire country is only 3 times larger than my immediate local region

2018-09-09 22:38:45 UTC  

In the netherlands tehre are secretaries and some staff on province level, but those are appointed by the King, just like Majors are. \

2018-09-09 22:39:00 UTC  

Yeah, but its not less complicated due to it being smaller haha

2018-09-09 22:40:11 UTC  

I'm frustrated enough as it is by not having local representation in my county, for the immediate couple square mile area where I live lol

2018-09-09 22:40:15 UTC  

Well to be honest. Few European countries hold a candle to even our middle sized states

2018-09-09 22:40:38 UTC  

True

2018-09-09 22:40:39 UTC  

Thats a bit extreme

2018-09-09 22:41:13 UTC  

Because all of those 'representatives' are paid, ergo. a representative every couple square miles would be excessively expensive

2018-09-09 22:41:26 UTC  

They don't have to be paid

2018-09-09 22:41:56 UTC  

No one would devote the needed time without pay