Message from @Xenosural

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2018-09-09 22:14:25 UTC  

Democracy: We'll take your opinions into consideration. Possibly.

2018-09-09 22:15:27 UTC  

A Prime minister once said in an interview: "We do not have a Democracy, we have a Representative Democracy", a distinction many people do not even know exists.

2018-09-09 22:17:39 UTC  

Doesn't sound like it

2018-09-09 22:20:49 UTC  

Yea tho Merkle has been shown to not follow her party often

2018-09-09 22:22:14 UTC  

@Xenosural majority or a *union*

2018-09-09 22:22:22 UTC  

Which could include a losing party

2018-09-09 22:23:00 UTC  

That does read like how it is, if you disagree with the party you can have some issues. However quite a few people have left their parties in the last few cycles and have remained in their seat, mid term effectively removing a seat from the party.

2018-09-09 22:23:02 UTC  

And the fact you dont vote for pm to me is troubling

2018-09-09 22:23:44 UTC  

The PM usualy is the Lead face of the largest party

2018-09-09 22:23:54 UTC  

Like the uk you vote in parliment but the winner gets to name their own pm from the parliment

2018-09-09 22:24:11 UTC  

I prefer having a primary and vote for the head of state

2018-09-09 22:24:14 UTC  

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki Technically, the US only does it out of tradition. We don't necessarily require the popular vote

2018-09-09 22:24:46 UTC  

The us doesnt require popular vote no. But our pres isnt reliant on the party wining the congress

2018-09-09 22:24:57 UTC  

We have a seperate vote for pres

2018-09-09 22:25:15 UTC  

Oh, no. But the office could be voted on enitrely by reps with no citizen input

2018-09-09 22:25:51 UTC  

Not technically. With the set up the people of each state vote. The majority win in each state gets the electors

2018-09-09 22:26:05 UTC  

With a couple exceptions who van split their electors

2018-09-09 22:26:38 UTC  

Still has zero congressional input

2018-09-09 22:27:28 UTC  

Right, what I meant was, that there's nothing requiring a state to give their citizens a ballot with presidential candidates names on it.

2018-09-09 22:27:30 UTC  

The two party system has otehr issues though, as evidenced while Obama was in office, did he not have an unprecedented ammount of executive orders, i remember articles from senators claiming they were unable to even speak to him, as he was working with a majority Republican senate? The only two sides makes finding a compromize very hard top do if people start running party lines.

2018-09-09 22:28:21 UTC  

With more parties and a defacto coalition to begin with, you alwasy have possible negotiations where not 50% hates the other 50%

2018-09-09 22:28:56 UTC  

not saying that 70 parties is a solution though lol

2018-09-09 22:28:57 UTC  

He didnt have an unprecented, but yes a lot. Many of which toed carlessly near illegal. The reson we are set up that way is a check and balance system. Something lacking in say the uk

2018-09-09 22:29:06 UTC  

@Xenosural Well, historically our two parties (which isn't even a requirement) have worked better together

2018-09-09 22:29:25 UTC  

But tbh the founders said parties at all are a death of a nation

2018-09-09 22:29:56 UTC  

Because party ideals begin to outwiegh the constituency needs

2018-09-09 22:30:30 UTC  

No more parties, only individuals, that would make election time crazy over here.

2018-09-09 22:30:33 UTC  

Rand Paul is a "republican", but just as a label. It's just a name, with nothing attached

2018-09-09 22:30:56 UTC  

Yea both our parties are made up of tons of sub parties

2018-09-09 22:31:09 UTC  

Just in defacto alliance when elections come

2018-09-09 22:31:41 UTC  

We dont have geographically representation though, locally we have the city councils we vote for but those are mostly charters of the national parties with some local only stuff sprinkeled in.

2018-09-09 22:31:47 UTC  

One states moderate republican is another states moderate democrat

2018-09-09 22:32:04 UTC  

Basically

2018-09-09 22:32:18 UTC  

But elections for city council does not translate to the national level

2018-09-09 22:32:22 UTC  

Yea our states mimmic our fed

2018-09-09 22:32:41 UTC  

They dont really here either. They just get all put on the same ballet for ease

2018-09-09 22:33:11 UTC  

And to answer your statement fitz. If states didnt issue the ballpts, then the feds would and it would be mute.

2018-09-09 22:33:14 UTC  

Jeeze, representation without regard to geography would be a nightmare

2018-09-09 22:33:25 UTC  

States prefer to have the control so

2018-09-09 22:34:09 UTC  

And they prolly get funding which helps pay for their own elections held at the same time