Message from @ConceptHut

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2018-10-30 05:15:04 UTC  

A 51 star proposal has been around since at least the late 80s

2018-10-30 05:15:30 UTC  

Plus puerto rico constantly teasing attempting full statehood

2018-10-30 05:17:28 UTC  

fuck puerto rico, give it to based Phillipines

2018-10-30 05:40:34 UTC  

I would be down

2018-10-30 05:40:42 UTC  

But we had to free them per contract

2018-10-30 05:44:44 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/506704992871251971/image0-33.jpg

2018-10-30 05:53:14 UTC  

any country wanting foreign aid should become a subsidiary of USA

2018-10-30 06:11:05 UTC  

reading people complaining in the /r/ socialism thread in reddit is mind numbing

2018-10-30 06:22:19 UTC  

Can you logically prove murder is immoral?
Seems like an obvious conclusion that murder is immoral but I've not seen anyone use logic to explain why.

2018-10-30 06:24:32 UTC  

fuck, if i was better atwords...

2018-10-30 06:25:48 UTC  

I imagine most people would agree that blowing up a tree isn't immoral but blowing up a person is immoral.

2018-10-30 06:26:22 UTC  

Is it immoral to kill yourself?

2018-10-30 06:27:01 UTC  

that depends on your view of selfishness

2018-10-30 06:27:24 UTC  

if you see selfishness as a bad thing, then murder is immoral. suicide is too, as it is 'self murder'

2018-10-30 06:28:57 UTC  

murder, specifically, is the act of killing another person willfully and with intent to do so. we recognise that murder with 'just cause' (self defense, defense of others, etc) is acceptable, but without these justifications murder is simply an extreme act of selfishness

2018-10-30 06:29:25 UTC  

Distill the exception.

2018-10-30 06:30:01 UTC  

Put another way, you noted it, but let's pull it out what differentiates acceptable from unacceptable.

2018-10-30 06:31:28 UTC  

ah. the act of preserving your own life, or the lives of others, is seen as a fundamental right of everyone. hence, 'just cause' is primarily granted when expressing this right

2018-10-30 06:32:09 UTC  

Justified is the part I was alluding to.

2018-10-30 06:32:46 UTC  

What is being justified? The imparting of detriment upon another entity. But how is it justified?

2018-10-30 06:33:13 UTC  

NOTE: You don't have to justify imparting benefit upon another entity.

2018-10-30 06:34:23 UTC  

its 2:30 am where i am, and thinking is not something my brain wants me to do at this moment. would you mind simplifying what you mean?

2018-10-30 06:34:52 UTC  

Which part?

2018-10-30 06:35:29 UTC  

It's 1:35am where I am but my brain is an asshole and won't let me sleep.

2018-10-30 06:37:28 UTC  

ah, i think i get what you said. you dont have to justify doing something good to someone else. but you do need to justify doing something bad. and the question you ask is why this is

2018-10-30 06:37:39 UTC  

am i correct?

2018-10-30 06:38:51 UTC  

Very correct

2018-10-30 06:39:00 UTC  

There are three moral states.

2018-10-30 06:39:13 UTC  

Immoral - Morally Nuetral - Moral

2018-10-30 06:39:24 UTC  

Benefiting someone is moral as it benefits.

2018-10-30 06:39:36 UTC  

Morally nuetral is where it neither benefits nor detriments another party.

2018-10-30 06:39:51 UTC  

For instance if I say hello to someone, it has done neither a positive nor negative thing to them.

2018-10-30 06:40:34 UTC  

I more or less have been asking people that very blunt question of how to morally prove murder is wrong because I'm curious how other people justify the claim to themselves.

2018-10-30 06:41:17 UTC  

I've developed an objective morality framework but I'm pretty curious how other people go about it in every day life even with obviously immoral things.

2018-10-30 06:41:36 UTC  

The justification part is where people seem to lose the plot.

2018-10-30 06:42:00 UTC  

Everything else I think people can wrap their heads around pretty easily when someone makes it explicit but justification part just seems complicated.

2018-10-30 06:42:19 UTC  

Mainly because there are three words associated: Justified/justification, just, justice

2018-10-30 06:42:26 UTC  

They are NOT the same things.

2018-10-30 06:43:42 UTC  

Since it is late and you alluded to being a bit tired for such a heavy topic, I'd like to ask you a different question that is related.

2018-10-30 06:44:17 UTC  

If you were able to have it proven to you that objective morality based on pure reason existed and how it works, how would that impact your life and perspective of life in general?

2018-10-30 06:47:01 UTC  

not very much actually. though i am religious and feel that religion is a good path to mortality, i see human beings as highly complicated creatures who are capable of reason in many different ways. a catholic, a jew, and an atheist may come to 'mortality' on different paths, but in the end they end up agreeing more than they disagree when it comes to right and wrong.