Message from @ConceptHut
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A 51 star proposal has been around since at least the late 80s
Plus puerto rico constantly teasing attempting full statehood
fuck puerto rico, give it to based Phillipines
I would be down
But we had to free them per contract
any country wanting foreign aid should become a subsidiary of USA
reading people complaining in the /r/ socialism thread in reddit is mind numbing
Can you logically prove murder is immoral?
Seems like an obvious conclusion that murder is immoral but I've not seen anyone use logic to explain why.
fuck, if i was better atwords...
I imagine most people would agree that blowing up a tree isn't immoral but blowing up a person is immoral.
Is it immoral to kill yourself?
that depends on your view of selfishness
if you see selfishness as a bad thing, then murder is immoral. suicide is too, as it is 'self murder'
murder, specifically, is the act of killing another person willfully and with intent to do so. we recognise that murder with 'just cause' (self defense, defense of others, etc) is acceptable, but without these justifications murder is simply an extreme act of selfishness
Distill the exception.
Put another way, you noted it, but let's pull it out what differentiates acceptable from unacceptable.
ah. the act of preserving your own life, or the lives of others, is seen as a fundamental right of everyone. hence, 'just cause' is primarily granted when expressing this right
Justified is the part I was alluding to.
What is being justified? The imparting of detriment upon another entity. But how is it justified?
its 2:30 am where i am, and thinking is not something my brain wants me to do at this moment. would you mind simplifying what you mean?
Which part?
It's 1:35am where I am but my brain is an asshole and won't let me sleep.
ah, i think i get what you said. you dont have to justify doing something good to someone else. but you do need to justify doing something bad. and the question you ask is why this is
am i correct?
Very correct
There are three moral states.
Immoral - Morally Nuetral - Moral
Benefiting someone is moral as it benefits.
Morally nuetral is where it neither benefits nor detriments another party.
For instance if I say hello to someone, it has done neither a positive nor negative thing to them.
I more or less have been asking people that very blunt question of how to morally prove murder is wrong because I'm curious how other people justify the claim to themselves.
I've developed an objective morality framework but I'm pretty curious how other people go about it in every day life even with obviously immoral things.
The justification part is where people seem to lose the plot.
Everything else I think people can wrap their heads around pretty easily when someone makes it explicit but justification part just seems complicated.
Mainly because there are three words associated: Justified/justification, just, justice
They are NOT the same things.
Since it is late and you alluded to being a bit tired for such a heavy topic, I'd like to ask you a different question that is related.
If you were able to have it proven to you that objective morality based on pure reason existed and how it works, how would that impact your life and perspective of life in general?
not very much actually. though i am religious and feel that religion is a good path to mortality, i see human beings as highly complicated creatures who are capable of reason in many different ways. a catholic, a jew, and an atheist may come to 'mortality' on different paths, but in the end they end up agreeing more than they disagree when it comes to right and wrong.