Message from @Antiboom

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2018-10-30 06:50:19 UTC  

If the Christian God, the supernatural one, was proven to be real and created reality and the people in it, that would have a massively interesting effect on both Christians who just had faith, and atheists who just didn't believe it at all.

2018-10-30 06:50:34 UTC  

when you say 'prove', by which method do you mean? philosophy is not something that can be proven through something scientific

2018-10-30 06:50:37 UTC  

Agnostics would be like “neat”

2018-10-30 06:51:04 UTC  

@Cirno I think god coming down and being like “yup, I exist” would be pretty solid proof assuming it did something godlike

2018-10-30 06:51:30 UTC  

@Cirno - Science was born of philosphy. Science just has a way of proving things via logic and facts.

2018-10-30 06:51:48 UTC  

Well

2018-10-30 06:51:49 UTC  

Such logic as: A + B = C

2018-10-30 06:51:50 UTC  

Not really

2018-10-30 06:51:58 UTC  

Science is more a method

2018-10-30 06:52:06 UTC  

To get as close to the truth as we can

2018-10-30 06:52:12 UTC  

Not necessarily proving things

2018-10-30 06:52:42 UTC  

Most things in science are just very very sound theories that have been tested and refined

2018-10-30 06:52:49 UTC  

But it’s hard to actually prove something

2018-10-30 06:53:00 UTC  

And math is more of a concept, so you can prove stuff there

2018-10-30 06:53:13 UTC  

But as far as our reality goes, it’s much harder to prove stuff

2018-10-30 06:53:19 UTC  

There are two types of hypothesis in science. The kind with no ability to have hidden variables and the kind that most certainly will have hidden variables.

2018-10-30 06:53:46 UTC  

Can I get an example of one with no ability to have hidden variables?

2018-10-30 06:54:22 UTC  

A simple lever and how much weight it will move with x amount of force applied at any particular point of the lever.

2018-10-30 06:54:39 UTC  

As an ideal model, sure

2018-10-30 06:54:56 UTC  

But when you try to implement it into reality you introduce the possibility of hidden variables

2018-10-30 06:55:11 UTC  

No idea what you said.

2018-10-30 06:55:16 UTC  

Sorry

2018-10-30 06:55:19 UTC  

Hold on

2018-10-30 06:55:29 UTC  

(note: I'm a mech engineer)

2018-10-30 06:55:51 UTC  

Edited

2018-10-30 06:55:58 UTC  

To quote a philosophy major from my school

2018-10-30 06:56:06 UTC  

“You can’t prove that he even exists”

2018-10-30 06:56:17 UTC  

So how are you supposed to prove the lever is exerting x amount of force

2018-10-30 06:56:20 UTC  

That statement is wholly irrational.

2018-10-30 06:56:25 UTC  

If you can’t even prove the lever exists

2018-10-30 06:56:35 UTC  

You can argue you perceive the lever

2018-10-30 06:56:59 UTC  

But that doesn’t necessarily mean it exists

2018-10-30 06:57:19 UTC  

When someone introduces a statement like that, the value of the conversation is as useful as trying to teach calculus to a brick wall.

2018-10-30 06:58:06 UTC  

NOTE: I will not attempt to teach a brick wall calculus.

2018-10-30 06:58:10 UTC  

What I’m saying is

2018-10-30 06:58:18 UTC  

I know what you are saying.

2018-10-30 06:58:26 UTC  

Alright

2018-10-30 06:58:26 UTC  

It's a poor line of reasoning.

2018-10-30 06:58:31 UTC  

Also congrats on the rank up

2018-10-30 06:58:53 UTC  

From a “proving” standpoint though, it’s a perfectly solid line of reasoning