Message from @Arcturus
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The state
I'm aware
the way things are done now just won't apply
You're talking like money will be the same, taxes will be the same, etc. Like everything will be the same, just with us in charge
I understand there won't be just minor changes, don't straw man me claiming that's what I think this will be my dude. I'm just saying this is a useful system that shouldn't entirely be done away with. We don't have to do literally everything opposite as to how it's done now for the sake of it being opposite. There can be a discussion as to what %'s are ethical, sure, but I don't think you can entirely do away with interest without having pretty broad ramifications on society
>that shouldn't be entirely done away with
Wrong
the thing is, we *want* pretty broad ramifications on society
You want an example of government loans in Germany?
The government would give couples x amount of money and subtract a percent they would have to pay back for each child they gave birth to
Yeah yeah, you get what I mean though lmao. By ramifications I was meaning that you just wouldn't have small business loans or mortgage loans in that system *if lenders were private* which would be pretty disastrous
I'm aware of that, I'm not opposed to that
I'd granted earlier you could have a loaning agency that could work, I was talking within the framework of if lending is private 0 interest wouldn't work
But you're saying that if people don't make money off it, they won't want to loan money for a living
Good
That's not a fucking job
Helping people is something you do because you want to, not because you can profit off people in need
"Oh, if I can't take advantage of these poor people through interest slavery, what's the point of lending money?"
Unless someone is really close they don't help people for a *couple hundred thousand dollars*, provided they even have that kind of money
No usury, period
>dollars
Large sums like that
a couple hundred thousand Heimbucks
Unironically, anybody that advocates for usury deserves to be shot. We aren't fighting the jews just so we can become them
If you're gonna argue that I should be shot because you're not providing a compelling argument on this I don't get why I'm even talking to you fam
Go purity spiral against about half of the people who agree with you on just about everything because they disagree on something far off in the future they likely wouldn't even be in charge of deciding
🤷 I don't know why you are either. If you want to be a capitalist, why join a fascist group?
But usury is literally the reason we're in this mess at all
Europe sold their souls to the Jew
Europe allowed usury because they needed money to fight jew manufactured wars, so they borrowed money from the jews who were financing both sides
If they didn't allow usury, the jews would be, at most, an inconsequential little desert tribe
But instead, they forced us into the situation we're in today where jews own the world
I don't care if you can make more money in a capitalist system. I don't care if capitalism is better at this or at that. Money isn't the end-all be-all
It's better to be poor and keep your soul
Because I support this group, more or less. This is about the only disagreement I have, and even then I haven't seen a real alternative proposed. You said people should lend (paraphrasing) out of the kindness of their heart. That doesn't seem reasonable for a lot of everyday people, to be honest. Who would lend considerable sums out of the kindness of their hearts to someone starting a risky venture like starting a business, or buying a house? If you propose a state run agency, alright, that could work, don't have that big a deal with it. But just relying on thousands of philanthropists to lend out money to people seems unrealistic to me.
I'm just talking about everyday loans people need dude. I get those arguments on how it fucked up europe, you're not wrong.
Because that is unrealistic, and I have no idea where you would even get that idea
Banks give out loans, right?
"Helping people is something you do because you want to, not because you can profit off people in need"
Private banks won't be a thing
For large loans like that, we ARE proposing a government agency