Message from @Hadrian

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2018-03-02 20:47:44 UTC  

the way things are done now just won't apply

2018-03-02 20:51:23 UTC  

You're talking like money will be the same, taxes will be the same, etc. Like everything will be the same, just with us in charge

2018-03-02 20:51:39 UTC  

I understand there won't be just minor changes, don't straw man me claiming that's what I think this will be my dude. I'm just saying this is a useful system that shouldn't entirely be done away with. We don't have to do literally everything opposite as to how it's done now for the sake of it being opposite. There can be a discussion as to what %'s are ethical, sure, but I don't think you can entirely do away with interest without having pretty broad ramifications on society

2018-03-02 20:54:19 UTC  

>that shouldn't be entirely done away with
Wrong

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396504026210107393/419236033310228480/442.png

2018-03-02 20:54:36 UTC  

the thing is, we *want* pretty broad ramifications on society

2018-03-02 20:55:20 UTC  

You want an example of government loans in Germany?

2018-03-02 20:56:19 UTC  

The government would give couples x amount of money and subtract a percent they would have to pay back for each child they gave birth to

2018-03-02 20:56:39 UTC  

Yeah yeah, you get what I mean though lmao. By ramifications I was meaning that you just wouldn't have small business loans or mortgage loans in that system *if lenders were private* which would be pretty disastrous

2018-03-02 20:56:53 UTC  

I'm aware of that, I'm not opposed to that

2018-03-02 20:57:23 UTC  

I'd granted earlier you could have a loaning agency that could work, I was talking within the framework of if lending is private 0 interest wouldn't work

2018-03-02 20:57:55 UTC  

But you're saying that if people don't make money off it, they won't want to loan money for a living

2018-03-02 20:57:57 UTC  

Good

2018-03-02 20:58:04 UTC  

That's not a fucking job

2018-03-02 20:58:39 UTC  

Helping people is something you do because you want to, not because you can profit off people in need

2018-03-02 20:59:15 UTC  

"Oh, if I can't take advantage of these poor people through interest slavery, what's the point of lending money?"

2018-03-02 20:59:32 UTC  

Unless someone is really close they don't help people for a *couple hundred thousand dollars*, provided they even have that kind of money

2018-03-02 20:59:35 UTC  

No usury, period

2018-03-02 20:59:52 UTC  

>dollars

2018-03-02 21:00:07 UTC  

You get what I mean, don't pick apart what I'm saying on semantics

2018-03-02 21:00:11 UTC  

Large sums like that

2018-03-02 21:00:11 UTC  

a couple hundred thousand Heimbucks

2018-03-02 21:02:29 UTC  

Unironically, anybody that advocates for usury deserves to be shot. We aren't fighting the jews just so we can become them

2018-03-02 21:03:47 UTC  

If you're gonna argue that I should be shot because you're not providing a compelling argument on this I don't get why I'm even talking to you fam

2018-03-02 21:05:09 UTC  

Go purity spiral against about half of the people who agree with you on just about everything because they disagree on something far off in the future they likely wouldn't even be in charge of deciding

2018-03-02 21:05:38 UTC  

🤷 I don't know why you are either. If you want to be a capitalist, why join a fascist group?

2018-03-02 21:06:16 UTC  

But usury is literally the reason we're in this mess at all

2018-03-02 21:06:29 UTC  

Europe sold their souls to the Jew

2018-03-02 21:07:52 UTC  

Europe allowed usury because they needed money to fight jew manufactured wars, so they borrowed money from the jews who were financing both sides

2018-03-02 21:08:41 UTC  

If they didn't allow usury, the jews would be, at most, an inconsequential little desert tribe

2018-03-02 21:09:28 UTC  

But instead, they forced us into the situation we're in today where jews own the world

2018-03-02 21:10:42 UTC  

I don't care if you can make more money in a capitalist system. I don't care if capitalism is better at this or at that. Money isn't the end-all be-all

2018-03-02 21:11:32 UTC  

It's better to be poor and keep your soul

2018-03-02 21:14:40 UTC  

Because I support this group, more or less. This is about the only disagreement I have, and even then I haven't seen a real alternative proposed. You said people should lend (paraphrasing) out of the kindness of their heart. That doesn't seem reasonable for a lot of everyday people, to be honest. Who would lend considerable sums out of the kindness of their hearts to someone starting a risky venture like starting a business, or buying a house? If you propose a state run agency, alright, that could work, don't have that big a deal with it. But just relying on thousands of philanthropists to lend out money to people seems unrealistic to me.

2018-03-02 21:15:21 UTC  

I'm just talking about everyday loans people need dude. I get those arguments on how it fucked up europe, you're not wrong.

2018-03-02 21:16:15 UTC  

Because that is unrealistic, and I have no idea where you would even get that idea

2018-03-02 21:16:44 UTC  

Banks give out loans, right?

2018-03-02 21:16:53 UTC  

"Helping people is something you do because you want to, not because you can profit off people in need"

2018-03-02 21:17:19 UTC  

Private banks won't be a thing

2018-03-02 21:17:20 UTC  

For large loans like that, we ARE proposing a government agency

2018-03-02 21:18:02 UTC  

Yeah - I recall you advocating that Hadrian but Koh wasn't really clear with what he was saying

2018-03-02 21:18:47 UTC  

I wasn't saying anything, mainly because Hadrian already said it