or possibly Atomwaffen

That just seems like an unreasonable position my dude. If lending didn't go on you'd have a hard time purchasing a house or starting a small business, going to college etc

I hear Rape knows something about that area

The government can lend

Why are we talking about real money

Money is a spook

Bureaucrats are shitty at discriminating with who they give money tho

things like small businesses are in the best interests of society, so using tax money for that is fine

obviously we hang the bureaucrats then and get better ones

It fundamentally isn't their money so they're more willing just to give it to whoever

@Arcturus you know we're not talking about doing this stuff in America, right?

Elaborate

I'm not sure why you think that the "ethnostate" will be America, but with minor policy changes

I'm aware this is a theoretical discussion about after we get our ideal form of government, it would still geographically be in America tho

*in* America, sure

Yeah, no shit

But it won't be America

but the political and economic system will have little resemblance

The state

I'm aware

the way things are done now just won't apply

You're talking like money will be the same, taxes will be the same, etc. Like everything will be the same, just with us in charge

I understand there won't be just minor changes, don't straw man me claiming that's what I think this will be my dude. I'm just saying this is a useful system that shouldn't entirely be done away with. We don't have to do literally everything opposite as to how it's done now for the sake of it being opposite. There can be a discussion as to what %'s are ethical, sure, but I don't think you can entirely do away with interest without having pretty broad ramifications on society

>that shouldn't be entirely done away with
Wrong

the thing is, we *want* pretty broad ramifications on society

You want an example of government loans in Germany?

The government would give couples x amount of money and subtract a percent they would have to pay back for each child they gave birth to

Yeah yeah, you get what I mean though lmao. By ramifications I was meaning that you just wouldn't have small business loans or mortgage loans in that system *if lenders were private* which would be pretty disastrous

I'm aware of that, I'm not opposed to that

I'd granted earlier you could have a loaning agency that could work, I was talking within the framework of if lending is private 0 interest wouldn't work

But you're saying that if people don't make money off it, they won't want to loan money for a living

Good

That's not a fucking job

Helping people is something you do because you want to, not because you can profit off people in need

"Oh, if I can't take advantage of these poor people through interest slavery, what's the point of lending money?"

Unless someone is really close they don't help people for a *couple hundred thousand dollars*, provided they even have that kind of money

No usury, period

>dollars

You get what I mean, don't pick apart what I'm saying on semantics

Large sums like that

a couple hundred thousand Heimbucks